Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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    I was honestly not excited about federation and still think we will be de-federated within hours (is that possible?) because liberals cannot stand being so consistently embarrassed by Marxists BUT I will say that a major factor in my radicalization was finding r/chapotraphouse years ago back on reddit. For every lib we dunk on, others will start to wonder and ask questions and even laugh along with communist jokes (by far the funniest on the internet). Liberalism actually has an extremely limited appeal, the democrats excite almost no one, and it’s true that some of their more lukewarm supporters just don’t know that you can fight liberalism without being a fucking nazi.

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      I would disagree that liberalism has “extremely limited” appeal. Many people are perfectly happy with the mediocrity offered by liberalism, and that’s one of the major challenges, that so many people prefer it over radical change of any kind.

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        I mean it’s boosted by the fact that it’s the dominant ideology and permeates everything. for most people, it’s existed without question their entire lives. so I’m not sure how happy people will be with it when they’re offered a real alternative, even among people who objectively benefit from it.

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          Yeah the benefit of being the default is huge. Incumbency bias is strong, and liberalism doesn’t bad enough at first to most people, so they assume its fine. You either have to be curious about the truth, or get fucked over by the system to really start to question it. It exists in a state of not so bad that people hate it, but clearly not the best, so people just go along with it as it is easiest to do so.

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            yep, as long as it’s the ideology in schools and media, it’s going to retain that position. the cracks are beginning to show, however. I think neoliberalism is really only the ideology of a few people (who admittedly have significant power) and we’re living through a rebirth of liberalism into a backwards looking ideology that craves its former power and glory. this new ideology is typified by blue MAGA – a reactionary sentiment echoed back when Trump was in office “everything would be fine if only Obama were president”. different groups pick different dates for when they want to turn the clock back to, but it’s overall a reactionary ideology.

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      I literally found CTH because I saw liberals on r/latestagecapitalism talking about “the scary dirtbag chapos” who “tell right-wingers to post hog” and was thought to myself “Wait no these people sound awesome, actually. I am so sick of people trying to play nice with actual Nazis” and decided to see what you guys were actually like and it turns out you aren’t scary at all. Lol.