Super Rugby obviously has a bit of a weird structure now with only 11 teams after the Melbourne Rebels collapsed.

It got me thinking a bit about what NZR & ARU could change assuming no other countries are going to join, and one thing I wondered was whether New Zealand should deliberately weaken our Super franchises to help make the Australian ones more competitive & hopefully make their public a bit more interested (if they win more).

So I started to think about what the population spread was like around New Zealand and one thing that really sticks out is how bottom heavy our current distribution of clubs is. 1 million punters in the South Island get 2 franchises, but 4.5m odd North Islanders only get 3 + Moana Pasifika. Its actually a bit silly that the Highlanders still exist given the population shifts since the 90s.

Anyway, that made me wonder if it might be possible to in effect add a 6th New Zealand franchise - which including MP would make 7 based in New Zealand in total, so came up with this before & after table to show how its a much more equitable split. And then 7 NZ, 4 Aus & 1 Fiji gets us back to 12 Franchises and at least in NZ gets more games in front of more people.

Super Franchise Population Approx Provinces Population (2018) Stadiums Capacity
Auckland Blues 1850k Northland 186k Semenoff Stadium 19k
Counties-Manukau 1 Navigation Homes Stadium 12k
North Harbour 1 North Harbour Stadium 25k
Auckland 1655k Eden Park 50k
Waikato Chiefs 920k Bay of Plenty 321k Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark 26k & 20k
Waikato 476k FMG Stadium 25k
Taranaki 121k Yarrow Stadium 25k
Wellington Hurricanes 950k Hawke’s Bay 172k McLean Park 24k
Manawatū 248k2 Arena Manawatu 15k
Wellington 526k Sky Stadium 35k
Canterbury Crusaders 725k Tasman 103k3 Trafalgar Park 18k
Canterbury 623k One NZ Stadium4 30k
Otago Highlanders 335k Otago 235k Forsyth Barr Stadium 31k
Southland 101k Rugby Park 17k
Moana Pasifika5 - North Harbour based - North Harbour Stadium 25k
  • 1 Included with Auckland.
  • 2 Includes Whanganui in the census data.
  • 3 From 2026 I think the new stadium is supposed to be in use.
  • 4 Includes Marlborough, same as the NPC Province
  • 5 Moana Pasifika are currently, and for the forseeable future going to be playing most of their matches in New Zealand, neither Samoa nor Tonga have stadiums and infrastructure setup to host like Fiji Drua have.
  • Population regions not included:
    • Gisborne 50k - because its quite remote from either Hurricanes or Chiefs
    • West Coast South Island 32k - because its remote from everywhere
New Regional Franchise Provinces Population Approx Stadiums
Auckland North Northland 850k Semenoff Stadium
North Harbour North Harbour Stadium
Auckland South Auckland 850k Eden Park
Counties-Manukau Navigation Homes Stadium
West North Island Waikato 600k FMG Stadium
Taranaki Yarrow Stadium
East North Island Bay of Plenty 550k6 Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark
Hawke’s Bay McLean Park
Bottom North Island Wellington 770k Sky Stadium
Manawatū Arena Manawatu
Canterbury Crusaders Tasman 725k Trafalgar Park
Canterbury One NZ Stadium
Otago Highlanders Otago 335k Forsyth Barr Stadium
Southland Rugby Park
  • 6 I included Gisborne population in this one as with a franchise based in this part of the country they are a bit more included than they are with the Chiefs or Hurricanes.
  • TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nzOP
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    It might sound counter-intuitive, but due to a couple of things (geography & number of games) less clubs in Super Rugby is actually worse for attendance.

    Per game attendance is ok, but there aren’t enough games to let the franchises boost their revenue, so more teams = more games. Also, more games = more chance of hosting a game in places that rarely see a Super match which might boost interest and average attendance due to not saturating markets.

    Taranaki used to be a part of the Hurricanes franchise, but they left to join the Chiefs with an agreement to get a guaranteed match every year in New Plymouth. This was because back then the Hurricanes would only play 2 matches a year outside of Wellington and it was rotated between Hawke’s Bay, Manawatū and Taranaki. Things have gotten worse since then as now the Hurricanes play a maximum of 1 match outside of Wellington and its almost always against a poor draw like the Western Force.

    The reason I believe its important to play games in the provinces is because otherwise you have huge chunks of population missing out on live Super Rugby altogether, almost nobody is driving the 4+ hours from Napier to Wellington to watch a Super game.

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      So Scottish rugby does very bad at getting it’s pro teams about the place. But that’s because they’re home stadia are so well attended now. And even tier 3 can sell a shit ton of tickets for Murrayfield (see Portugal next month). But for the growth of the game it is fucking awful. So NZ have it correct, and I would love to see Edinburgh out in Hawick, and Glasgow in Stirling, especially for a Munster or Edinburgh match

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        2 months ago

        How spread out is the rugby fandom beyond the higher population areas in the south - Perth/Dundee west to Irvine/Ayr etc? Because if 90% of the fans are in that area then it does make a lot of sense to play so much in Murrayfield - especially if the tickets are selling. Its just so much closer than most rugby fans in NZ.

        But I agree with you, its hard to get your local people interested in the game if you don’t bring the game to them!

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          There’s clubs to be found from Orkney to Galloway, with population centers in Dundee, Aberdeen, and Inverness that never see pro teams and are all 2-3hrs away. There was a lot of criticism no semi-pro teams were setup up north and one of the big reasons the super6 was yanked