It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.
Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide
noun [ C or U ]
UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/
Add to word list
the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good ‘plain text’ definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful ‘plain text’ descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
Genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The acts are:
Killing members of the group.
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Except for perhaps the last point, there’s no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
By what rationale do you group people who live in Palestine together as a particular group- because they aren’t. Israel wants Gaza, and they want everyone there who’s not an Israeli gone. Either chased out or murdered. It’s not like the extermination of certain Native peoples carried out by the US government in the 1800’s where they were obliterated for what they were.
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
It’s not genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing/stealing land. If all the Palestinians left for some place else, Israel would not pursue them to exterminate them, they’d just steal their land. It’s Palestinian land that Israel is stealing. The Palestinians are just in the way.
You just described a genocide, like one of the plain text definitions of a genocide. Mass murdering a group of people to steal their land.
Doesn’t matter that you’ve made up a hypothetical fantasy scenario where they aren’t caged in cornered, but have free movement, it’s still a genocide.
Oh, and they aren’t free to leave, they are caged and cornered.
So you’re wrong, and you’re wrong again.
The Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are people who live in Palestine, and are from many ethnicities and religious professions. They are being murdered because of where they live, not technically because of their ethnicity. If they all left of their own accord, Israel would not pursue them to murder them. Israel is murdering them to steal their land. Hence not genocide.
Did you really just say that if the indigenous inhabitants simply left their homes and wandered into the desert, then Israel wouldn’t be forced to commit a genocide?
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I even touch on “Forced to commit genocide”? So shut the fuck up. The Israeli’s are choosing to do this. The Israeli intent is to chase non-Jews out of the land they want to steal. Israel is committing a different crime against humanity other than genocide. The Israelis are choosing to commit ethnic cleansing. The ethnicity of the people in Gaza who aren’t Jewish doesn’t matter to the Israelis. They just want them gone, chased out or murdered, no matter what their ethnicity or faith if they aren’t Jewish. It doesn’t make any difference to Bibi. And as long as that’s what Israel is doing, those who supply the means to Israel need to stop providing those means.
By what definition
Wiki
Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people.[a][2]
Dictionary
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Cambridge dictionary
genocide noun [ C or U ] UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ Add to word list the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:
So by what definition do you add ‘land’.
Cases of genocide brought before the ICJ aren’t based on Merriam-Webster, or the Cambridge Dictionary…
They use ratified international agreements, such as the CPPCG
After you said ‘plain text definition’. Now you’ve moved the goal post to a treaty.
The United states holocaust museum has a pretty good ‘plain text’ definition of genocide, which perfectly captures what the Israelis are trying to do to the Palestinians as genocide.
The article also has some useful ‘plain text’ descriptions of ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, mass atrocities, mass killing and war crimes.
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/definitions
The astute reader will notice that the Israelis are actually guilty of all of these mass atrocities as part of their attempts to genocide the Palestinians.
The acts are:
Except for perhaps the last point, there’s no person that could argue that Israel has not perpetrated these acts against the Palestinians.
All that leaves then is the intent aspect of genocide.
The Israelis are very open about their desire to destroy Palestine. Law4palestine has a collection for quotes from current and former legislators which capture their genocidal intent:
https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/1-Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-15th-January-2024-DECISION-MAKERS.pdf
https://law4palestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2-Database-of-Israeli-Incitement-to-Genocide-15th-January-2024-LEGISLATORS.pdf
If you don’t feel like reading through that, here’s an excellent summary of other evidence of Israel’s genocidal intent from Jewish Currents:
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
*Edit: added the link to the legislators list. Left the decision makers list as it just serves to hammer the point home
Served. Absolutely served.
Yes, the plain text of the international treaties that define genocide…
By what rationale do you group people who live in Palestine together as a particular group- because they aren’t. Israel wants Gaza, and they want everyone there who’s not an Israeli gone. Either chased out or murdered. It’s not like the extermination of certain Native peoples carried out by the US government in the 1800’s where they were obliterated for what they were.
With all the good will in the world, my friend, you need to look up the definitions of genocide. Pursuing a population to exterminate then is NOT a prerequisite for genocide.
what’s the point of this argument even if you’re right? fuck what Israel is actually doing, I don’t care what it’s called. Fuck them
Lmfao THAT’S GENOCIDE DOPEY