• Soup@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    This reads like some weird sovcit shit about them mad about consequences for their actions. Yes cops suck but maybe don’t commit traffic violations.

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      7 hours ago

      The last study I saw indicated that the majority of drivers in the United States are breaking the law every single day they drive. We also know that cops in many areas are incredibly racist about who they pull over. I know you didn’t intend it, but the effective interpretation of your advice is to be lucky and white.

      In theory, or with systemic changes, it would be possible to come up with more equal enforcement of the law. Safer enforcement of the law, where the cops are less likely to shoot you. But that’s not what we face right now. For example, can you imagine if people had the size of their speeding ticket determined by their net worth, or their annual income? Can you imagine a future where if a cop pulls over minorities disproportionately, the cop get arrested?

      Let me make it easier. Can you imagine a future where traffic stops are not allowed to be pretextual? Can you imagine a future where cops are ticketed every time they break traffic laws? When you can get to any of these futures, then I think you can reasonably bring up the point that you tried to bring up above. Until then, it just doesn’t match reality.

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        6 hours ago

        It’s true, but in this context I’m explicitly talking about the kinds of people who do some deranged shit and then complain about consequences. Yes, a black person pulled over for going above the speed limit but still slower most everyone else would definitely be racist but anyone going 40-60% faster than the speedlimit is gunna get pulled over with reason. Yes, people break the law all the time and there aren’t enough cops to pull over everyone in the world(and because I have to explain everything I write: I am pro-defunding).

        Anyway I get what you’re saying and considered it while writing my comment but I’m not going to start to writing several paragraphs of preface to explain my positions on the world in general to account for every possible interpretation of my comments.

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      Yes don’t commit traffic violations but also don’t shoot people for driving away.

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        To be fair in Europe and even in the USA people don’t get shot when driving away.

        If you go on YouTube and look at sovereign citizen videos you will see that even in the USA they just chase you down and maybe ram your car. Rough but not being shot for driving away.

        In Germany they would just follow you from a safe distance till you eventually stop then arrest you for fleeing and dangerous driving.

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          I’ve watched videos of people getting shot and killed for driving away in the United States. I know you wish that didn’t happen, but it definitely does, multiple times a year, and most of the time the cops don’t face any penalties for their actions.

          If you want to talk about how we wish the police functioned, that would be a neat discussion, but this post is about reality, and not our dreams.

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          Cops can also just grab your plates and mail you the inital citation as well as seek further measures for fleeing the scene or whatever.

          Don’t get me wrong acab and the meme made me exhale sharply. But yeah, no one should be getting shot at for driving away from a cop. SHOULD

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            They could, but they’d rather chase you down, ram you, and maybe execute you instead. Fragile egos and all that. The best part is that you never know what kind of cop you’re gonna get. Is it the unicorn cop this time that’s just Mr. Rogers in a uniform, or is it the secret Nazi cop that’s looking for a reason. Roll the stop sign, roll the dice.

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          22 hours ago

          lmao, racialized people sure do get shot when they drive away (even sometimes when they don’t).