L’année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @[email protected] et je souhaite relancé l’idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.
Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l’expérience de quelqu’un qui rejoint le fediverse via l’instance jlai.lu.
Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l’expérience Lemmy.
Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc… je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d’à peine d’un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l’encontre de l’état d’esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.
Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l’année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu’ils ne sont pas francophone et que j’aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d’une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c’est trop.
Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l’idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu’il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.
You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.
I accused this user of being a fascist. If 12 people are seated at a table with 1 fascist, tell me how many fascists are seated at that table.
This user is a fascist because they’re doing the same generic anticommunism routine that all of the right-wing forums do. Create an anticommunist hysteria around a nonsensical boogeyman, widen the net as the next person they disagree with is also part of the sneaky non-white conspiracy against them, ratchet the community rightward. That specific process is why reddit is reddit. If someone’s doing the same old trick on the Fediverse, I don’t care if it’s this forum with 8 monthly users I’ve never seen before or Lemmy.world/Lemm.ee with fresh content feeds. It attracts the same people and ends in the same place.
This goober thinks they’re being gangstalked by Russian spies because someone on the internet disagreed with 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝒾𝓇 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃. Before you clutch your pearls about me calling them a fascist, the first question you should be asking is what that position is and what’s so offensive about the Hexbear stance on it. Generally if we hate someone or something there’s a pretty good reason for it.
Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you’re defending.
Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.
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Je suis sûr une instance où il y a pleins de communistes et anarchistes et franchement, c’est toujours LA KETAMINE
Ils adorent ça je comprends pas. Je te promets, traîne un peu avec eux et tu verras que la kétamine est leur carburant.
Pas de problème avec ça mais c’est trop drôle ahaha. Ça les rend imprévisibles et parfois ils font vraiment preuve de mauvaise fois.
J’ai jamais eu de problèmes avec eux donc je ne sais pas si c’est juste une chambre d’écho honnêtement !
I already said I want to defederate with you. You get a pass on engaging with this comment because English is your second language.
You’re not leaving me, I’m leaving you!
I would have made my own post first but didn’t know you exist until this post. Then I agreed with it. A more apt analogy would be getting a random text saying “I’m breaking up with you” and replying “ok”.
An actually apt analogy would be one of your theater club mate receiving a text advising to leave the theater club because it’s full of dubious people, your mate saying “lol no”, and you sending a 10 pages pamphlet to the friend sending the text accusing them to be a fascist, completely unprompted.
The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them is on the same forum as the person who uses “tanky” as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks. I would ask how you see yourself ideologically, but you aren’t making a good case for not being a fascist forum so that definition wouldn’t mean much. Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with tankies and Asian conspiracies? Not the left-wing ones.
We have no post supporting capitalism. The whole server is critizing capitalism and supporting social and environnemental project.
That is terrific, I’m glad that you are yourself anti-capitalist. I don’t think the whole jlai.lu instance is, though, and at least one mod is apparently quite conservative.
It’s great you have that perspective on it individually. You individually might be totally fine. I ask you the same question though: look at the company you keep. One of your mods, a full 1/8th of your monthly userbase, just used tankie as a slur. Against a forum that’s… what? Too antizionist? Too antiracist? Too anti-imperialist? Too pro-LGBT? I still don’t know either of their specific ideological disagreements with Hexbear and don’t care. If I were you I’d be sceptical of people who use words the right-wing uses to describe the same enemies the right-wing has. A nebulous term like tankie can be used to condemn anyone. An out-group enemy that only exists through conspiracy theories can be used to condemn anyone. Neither can be specifically defined in the same way me using “liberal” or “fascist” as an in-group enemy can be. If you feel genuinely committed to something as radical as environmentalism, you’re too radical for that forum and you’ll be the tankie or the sneaky Asian spy when they run out of more radical candidates. I wouldn’t want to be on Hexbear if people used language like that unironically.
The fuck you’re talking about
>opens hexbear
>see a meme in the front page using the same rhetoric as Israel when it denies the palestinian genocide, to deny Uyghurs genocide by China
Kinda selective opposition I guess.
Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with genocide denial and defending authoritarian regimes? Not the left-wing ones.
Cool, the person who uses tankie as an insult is an Adrian Zenz fan and has a Nazi frog emoji on hand for logical gotchas.
Again you are not making a good case here. Snoopy’s giving it their best, but you’re setting off my
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tErMiNaLlY OnLiNe
kinda yeah
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I asked Cowbee because we had been discussing recently how interactions between Hexbear and other instances sometimes play out, so I thought it would be relevant to have their perspective on this example.
About the rest of your arguments, seems to have been addressed in this comment: https://hexbear.net/post/3694795/5510986
Explain this rhetorical trick to me.
https://hexbear.net/post/3694795/5511100
Do you think my grandma would be a bicycle if she had tyres instead of legs?
Going back to the thing that did actually happen, take two:
Explain this rhetorical trick to me.
The correct pun is “if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike” btw
Lapin compris. Tu peux expliquer ?
C’est un passage dans un talk show américain de cuisine, où un chef italien (Gigi D’Acampo) propose de faire une sorte de gratin (je me rappelle plus du plat). Une présentatrice dit à un moment un truc du genre "si on rajoutait [un ingrédient] ça ressemblerait à [un autre plat qui n’a rien a voir], forcément le chef est choqué et il lâche cette phrase pour montrer le ridicule de la phrase “si ma grand mère avait des roues elle serait une bicyclette”
Un lien youtube vers la séquence : https://youtu.be/OplyHCIBmfE
Très instructif. Merci.
Merci pour cette vidéo 😂😂😂
Yes but I’m formatting it in the same way as the comment they link.
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