• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    How are we ever supposed to reach a point where we have someone who does do enough if we keep unconditionally supporting the lesser evil?

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      7 hours ago

      How are we ever supposed to reach a point where we have someone who does do enough if we keep unconditionally supporting the greater evil?

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        7 hours ago

        Who said anything about supporting the greater evil? You can conditionally support the lesser evil, dependent on them changing policies to what needs to happen, or build up a party that’s actually good until they’re strong enough to either win or extract concessions in exchange for support.

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          4 hours ago

          when it comes down to it there was a push to do like you say when reagan won and when bush won and when trump won. They are just getting worse and have to be made inconsiquential so that we can make greater gains on the left. we can’t go left by having the right win.

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            4 hours ago

            They’re never going to be made inconsequential. The democrats have the problem of being associated with the status quo while not enacting the necessary policies for the status quo to actually work for people. As long as the right is able to present themselves as “outsiders” and an alternative to the status quo, frustrated people are going to turn to them. And the problem is likely to get worse as conditions deteriorate, because we’re in a state of decline. It’s necessary to either force the democrats to adopt the leftist policies needed for the status quo, or to break with them to present an alternative vision that is neither the far right nor the status quo.

            Trump didn’t come out of nowhere, and unless the conditions that led to him winning are addressed, there will be more Trumps and they will continue to win. And those conditions are much bigger than the tiny margins of third-party voters. If things weren’t broken, Trump would’ve been defeated every time in a landslide.