That poor x220 deserves a coreboot and a good OS
Libreboot*
Yeah libreboot is the right coreboot distro, but meh I felt like letting others decide. I personally have my x220 with libreboot and Guix system
Can you run a virtual machine?Yes, why?
Run a Windows VM in<insertYourDistroHere>and run Roblox?Sorry, replied to wrong user.
I wish Roblox would stop having their fight with Linux and I just convert my kids over.
They absolutely don’t need Windows for anything but Roblox at the moment.
Run a Windows VM in
<insertYourDistroHere>and run Roblox?They’re not on the finest of boxes and a lot of the Roblox games actually need some decent resources.
When we get closer to the drop dead date I may give it a shot. I’m kind of hoping Roblox will get around too not being pig-headed about it.
Otoh, Roblox is evil and you could just use the switch to Linux to be like, “oh no, I guess we can’t have Roblox anymore!”
My home is more of a democracy than a dictatorship. I could of course forbid them from playing, impose whatever sanctions, But they have fun doing it and they have a bunch of real life friends that join them.
My home is more of a democracy than a dictatorship.
Oh, now you’ve done it, you’ve pissed off the tankies.
Dude, if I could get them to seize the means of production…
Damn, as a father, I feel that.
What is a tanky? Only heard that after switching to Lemmy. What’s the origin?
tankie = stalinist/maoist style communist, take control of everything, anyone who resists, run them over with tanks.
lemmy.ml has a bunch, also hexbear and especially lemmygrad.
They seem like angsty tweens who suddenly realized they figured out the solution to everything, and anyone who doesn’t listen to them must be dealt with.
TFW you continue fucking around with Windows rather than learn Linux
One thing doesn’t exclude the other.
I mean, the real danger is they shove out an update that straight up breaks on your PC, as in won’t boot even in safe mode because it does something with the TPM, and it’ll be your own fault for deliberately circumventing the requirements.
Non-geeky people will generally run things until they actually stop working completely. They don’t care what OS it runs as long as it runs all their shit.
Non-geeky people will generally run things until they actually stop working completely.
Geeky people, on the other hand, may either adopt a new OS while it’s still half-baked, or jump through hoops to keep an old one running long past the point where a non-geeky person would have given up. Some of us do both, just for the lulz. Windows 11 on unsupported systems offers a new and exciting(?) way to scratch the same “can I make this work, just for the hell of it?” itch.
Alternative title: “Follow these 17 convoluted steps to stay in your abusive relationship longer.”
And feel like an idiot when Windows 10 support inevitably gets extended in a year anyway.
Well there are 3 options and they are all bad.
- pay to upgrade your PC (or for extended 10 support)
- stay on 10 and go without security updates
- jump through hoops to update to 11 unsupported
It’s almost like being on Windows is all bad.
- Use another OS (I hear temple OS is even better then 11 these days)
I would vote for 2. myself, its not like the security updates have been deal breakers before (nothing is secure anyway).
Oh we’re talking about all options including outside of Windows? Well gee life has a lot to offer, even things more glorious than using Linux.
You’re about to get ripped to shreds for daring to suggest the odds of anything actually happening to someone on a recently discontinued operating system are not dramatically higher as long as the user has basic use cases and basic tech literacy.
It does make me wonder if perhaps malicious actors have novel intrusion methods waiting in store for the deadline because they know those people won’t just get a patch the night the intrusion gets detected. MS would probably love it, because some people would go running scared to pay to upgrade.
Eh I am used to it. Even when I ask for an example of a end user getting compromised from using out of date software (like a news story, court case, etc.) and they come up empty I am still somehow the “insane” one. You are better to learn to back up things, not get caught in phishing attacks (the most common risk) and watch your accounts then even worrying about security updates.
Worked 15 years in the industry but, hey what do I know… Not like your bank is still using server 2008 and windows 7 or anything…
I ended up taking my unsupported computer and turned it into an Unraid server. Bought some refurb enterprise drives on eBay to get it set up, and now I have an awesome home media server/NAS.
Why should I be curious about unraid (I have a case and a bunch of drives btw)?
It’s a low friction way to set up a home server with NAS and docker containers. The “Unraid” portion is the configuration that lets you set up an “array” with parity drive(s), but without striping so each disk has a complete filesystem and files accessible even when removed from the array. Everything can be managed through a web UI, and there’s a robust “app store” of docker containers.
The downside is that it’s not free, and they recently moved towards monthly/yearly licensing and increased the cost of new lifetime licenses.
Thanks! Not for me then but close :-)
That workaround for your bi-yearly feature update on an unsupported PC is more complicated than installing Linux.
There, I said the bad word.You obviously didn’t read the article as it makes no such claim and its not an issue unless you have a 20 year old computer. This superior smug answer based on lies is part of why Linux has a bad reputation. Yeah mb 10% of you guys are world class, and another 25% are competent, but that still leaves the majority of Linux supporters looking like ignorant idiots, like you could have at least read the article you replied to.
The article doesn’t need to explicitly state that, because it’s a simple comparison to make.
its not an issue unless you have a 20 year old computer.
Plenty of computers have been made without TPMs in the last 10 years, as well as built by people who have no need for one, or else they simply disabled it.
The article states;
Without Secure Boot or a TPM, though, installing these upgrades in place is more difficult. Trying to run an upgrade install from within Windows just means the system will yell at you about the things your PC is missing. Booting from a USB drive that has been doctored to overlook the requirements will help you do a clean install, but it will delete all your existing files and apps.
If you’re running into this problem and still want to try an upgrade install, there’s one more workaround you can try.
Download an ISO for the version of Windows 11 you want to install, and then either make a USB install drive or simply mount the ISO file in Windows by double-clicking it.
Open a Command Prompt window as Administrator and navigate to whatever drive letter the Windows install media is using. Usually that will be D: or E:, depending on what drives you have installed in your system; type the drive letter and colon into the command prompt window and press Enter.
Type setup.exe /product server
That is objectively not much different than the majority of Linux installs in terms of what you’re having to do just for an upgrade. That’s the point the person above was making. You can’t click a button, you have downloaded an image, mount it, and run through a setup.
You want to talk “smug”, yet you’re the one being triggered enough by seeing Linux mentioned in a perfectly valid comparison to the point you have to hop on your soapbox about “why Linux has a bad reputation”.
Okay but thats not what he said, the comment I responded to said twice a year a Windows 11 install will break which is just not true. And even a fresh install you can bypass that. And mentioning tpms? Literally article was about how guy is running W11 on a Core 2 Duo, what tpm he has? I love the downvotes though, reminds me the average person can’t read let alone think.
As of 15 min ago, my dad has decided to install windows 11 on his 12 year old home pc. Oh boy.
I’m running Windows 11 on a 12 year old X79 platform. Runs just fine.
But it was definitely top of the line in its day and 48GB of RAM keeps any system relatively snappy.
It’s an i5-2430m powered AIO PC with a HDD and 8 gb of ram (its only saving grace). It’s fine for what my dad uses it for, which is largely web browsing for work and excel.
Omg, I wonder if I’d splurge on a ram stick or an ssd (if I couldn’t do both for some heavy economical reason).
Just FYI I made an el cheapo “win-game-box” with an old dell and wasn’t able to install w10 on the ssd so I put it on a hard drive. So slow I felt I went back in time to 2005. Figured out how to reset win10 with a specific dell iso and was able to put it on the ssd -> totally okay/snappy pc.
It’s 2 4 gb sticks and so I’d have to hope that it supports 16 gb of ddr3.
As for the ssd, that’s in the cards eventually. But since it’s an aio Pc, it’s an utter pain to work on
It’s actually not shit for a hdd which confuses me. It’s just an Hitachi Travelstar hdd. I’ve used faster (on paper) machines that don’t feel as responsive as that computer.
Yeah Win11 will probably be a noticeable performance hit on that. Especially Explorer which they made dog slow when adding tabs and the new context menu.
The Office apps and browser will probably be about the same.
Tell him you’ll have to do it for him and install Linux mint
I made that comment to my mom this morning. Also I have tried Linux on that machine and its weird. It has a very old digitizer that sort of works. (Sony Vaio AIO). Disabling it is a #1 priority.
He’s technically inclined enough to install it himself entirely.
Other issue is the wireless card. It’s an old Qualcomm card (not ath9k).
We’ll figure it out once windows 11 stops working. Or if the drive dies.
ITT: People who talk about Linux (as if that was the subject) because they just can’t accept that some people actually need or want to use Windows and might find articles like this one useful.
Its part of their personality.
They remind me of my devout jehovah witness neighbor who’s been doorknocking and dropping flyers in my mailbox for 20+ years to remind me I’m going to burn if I don’t convert.
If you need Windows, don’t run it on hardware that doesn’t support Windows 11. If you need it, do it the right way, so you can count on it working.
Now, what do you do with your old hardware? There are plenty of good ideas in the comments here.
Or instead of installing Linux as a workaround and having to learn how to use a new OS and having to troubleshoot a ton of inevitable issues to make it work as well as the setup you’re used to just… Use a workaround to skip the hardware requirement! In the end both are a way to work around Microsoft’s requirements, one is something you need to deal with once just requiring you to follow a guide and you’re done, the other will be an ongoing learning process.
Honestly the only people worried about learning a new OS are people that have not even tried another OS for longer then 15 minuts in the last few years.
The desktop is still a desktop so is the taskbar.
The mouse works like a mouse, browser works like a browser and the majority of apps these days are browser apps.
The single actual difference i can think off is that rather then downloading an exe you use something similar to an appstore if your non technical or the command line if you don’t.
And if you are just a little technical you can acutely download that exe and install/run it just fine. (Wine)
Worrying about learning an new OS isn’t as simple as you make it. It takes time, dedication, and will power to work through the pain points.
Most Linux users give answers like “just use Linux” but it’s not that simple. Yes, it’s easier to switch these days because more and more apps are browser/cloud based. But technically a chrome book would be an easier switch if that’s the mentality.
I “use” my PC. I don’t simply check email and go on Facebook. I’m currently trying Linux for probably the 4th or 5th time. It’s easier to get into these days, but it still functions completely differently than Windows, as it should.
For example, It took me at least an hour to figure out how to partition and mount a drive. There’s some not so clear information out there so finding the right info wasn’t as easy as it should be. OK no big deal, now I know, but I don’t necessarily want to chase answers like that every time I use my computer.
Lastly, I’ve never accepted using Wine as a work around for unsupported programs. OK, maybe if you have 1, but not if you have 6. That’s not an acceptable solution when your needs scale up like that. And I have many. I’m not going to 100% get away from Windows. It sucks, but it’s reality.
You do sound like a person knowledge enough to solve their own issues and you have been trying linux so I wouldn’t lump you in with the majority of users that believe that all of linux requires terminal knowledge.
I let you in on a secret. I still have my windows drive in dual boot. I was very scared of linux, i just saw a hyprland gif and fell in love. As a windows poweruser i could not fully commit on that whim.
I have not booted into it in months and i use the same drive to install proton games. (So i can theoretically launch them from both sides) but i do plan to keep it there, just in case. At least for as long as i use that machine.
So by all means you are pretty much as much a limux user as i am, the only difference is with what os we dedicate time.
Recently i got into a powershell course from work and i know you can use 7 on unix, but i am actually thinking of spinning up some windows vm. My work is all windows so i do need to keep up. And there are good things i could say about it.
But i have a personal drive to learn linux, rooted in the philosophy of technological freedom, unrestricted by corporate whims. One day i hope to truly leave windows for a foss new world (does not need to be linux) and i hope sincere that on your own time, you will also join me there.
How is having to apply workarounds to keep windows working on old machines any different from troubleshooting the occasional linux issue? It’s a rethorical question, the difference is that the workaround on Windows is mandatory while the Linux troubleshoot is nowadays rare and usually related to edge cases.
Some of the workarounds in this article are far more involved and convoluted than what I’ve ever had to do in 15 years of linux. Some are even dangerous for system stability and security. My very recent install of bazzite in a new laptop has been a perfectly out of the box it just works experience. Not even having to open the terminal. 100% friendly GUI without compromising flexibility, power and customizability. Today, suggesting linux with a solid desktop environment like KDE plasma is just foolproof. The end user will be using exactly the same knowledge and habits of Windows, without the harassment machine that is MS now. The change is not learning a new OS, is just switching a few assumptions on how some advanced things work.
Meanwhile I started on Bazzite, my display signal just stopped whenever there was load on the GPU, two days trying different things to make it work, switched to Mint, GPU works but wifi antenna doesn’t, another couple hours to make it work… Windows? Install it and… Well, that’s it, it just works.
Let’s not pretend there isn’t driver hell on Microsoft, sometimes its even worse than Linux.
I’ve had weird Linux issues similar to that before. However, I’ve also had weird Windows issues too where it didn’t “just work”. I’ve had 2 experiences that really stick out to me with Windows
The first was Intel ARC, I absolutely love the card I have and was using it on a dual boot system. Linux ran it like a dream under Mesa, I just had to install a few more packages to get GPU compute for things like Blender. But Windows was an entirely different story. The driver worked great but Windows update was the absolute worst thing to ever come out of this. I’d have my driver all up-to-date and Windows update would come along, and completely downgrade my driver, to this one specific driver (I don’t remember the exact version) that didn’t even support Intel ARC Control. It would do this randomly too, sometimes during a game, or during Blender renders which caused those things to crash and waste hours of time. It also had a 50% chance to just completely blue screen my system, which lead to a broken/incomplete driver install. It was a mess
The other was with a friend’s laptop I was helping repair. It was running Windows 11 and kept blue screening left and right for what seemed like RAM and driver issues. Tried switching out the RAM sticks, ran Memtest86, all tested good. Tried a new SSD and a fresh install of Windows 11, same issue even before any drivers were even installed. Tried the same thing but with Windows 10 and it worked flawlessly. The laptop had full support with Windows 11 and no workarounds was necessary but Windows 11 just didn’t work at all.
Not to say that Linux has been a smooth ride the entire time, far from it. But Windows has been pretty much the same from my experience in terms of weird bugs and crashes.
TL;DR: I’ve had my fair share with Windows shenanigans, been way too many times where it didn’t “just work” as much I would’ve liked. From GPU drivers to the entire OS.
On Mint, you troubleshoot the wifi antenna following a guide once and then you’re done. On Bazzite you probably just needed to click to change to X11 instead of plain Plasma, on the login screen. I would bet money that you have an Nvidia GPU. Sometimes Nvidia breaks the drivers support on Wayland. They intentionally neglect it in order to keep your kind of mentality around.
On Windows, MS is going to eventually fix the workarounds so you can’t update your computer anymore.
All AMD setup
Funny how people are downvoting when all I’ve done is specified that no, it can’t be justified by the hardware I’m using.
How long with working around the requirements work? If I need Windows, I’m not going to risk it.
Then get newer hardware, simple as that, anything from 2017 or more recent will work.
Yes, that’s what you should do to run Windows.
And then use the noncompliant hardware for Linux.
I think a lot of people have switched to Linux and realized it was just a lot better, myself included. It took me a bit to let the differences soak in, just like when I got my first smart phone but after a bit of using it and trying things out you realize you should have done it a long time ago
It’s so annoying to see in literally every thread about windows
ITT: Stockholm Syndrome victims defending the abusive relationship they have with their OS.
Newsflash, honey: she doesn’t respect you; she only wants to exploit you. It’s time to break up!
Yes because never ever an user had abused their OS.
Newsflash honey: it’s a fucking tool, it doesn’t have feelings. It’s your own choice to use it or not.
Man fuck these half baked parasocial analogies.
That’s right: it is a fucking tool, which means nothing the user does to it or with it could possibly count as “abuse” by the user. An OS is supposed to exist to do exactly the computer owner’s bidding; no more, no less.
But Microsoft certainly doesn’t see it that way. Instead, Windows exists to do Microsoft’ bidding, computer owner’s rights be damned. It’s Microsoft that’s abusing you, by whoring you out to advertisers and subverting your property against you, when you use Windows.
Bro, it’s true you can’t disable certain things, but you can certainly break it. I can still use a previous version and not update. I can still pirate ltsc. I can remove or install any bullshit I want. It takes the same fucking time when configuring your Linux distro of choice, unattended or not.
I don’t give a fuck what Microsoft thinks. I can still break their os to do what I want.
You’re too self absorbed in Linux good windows bad.
Sure, you can work around Microsoft’s intentional sabotage, in the same way that you can make excuses about “falling down stairs” when friends ask about the black eyes your abusive spouse gave you. But you shouldn’t have to.
Oh and…
It takes the same fucking time when configuring your Linux distro of choice, unattended or not.
…no it fucking doesn’t, BTW. (At least not unless you intentionally choose to use a ‘difficult’ distro like Arch or Gentoo.)
I don’t think you know what unattended means.
Overall, no actual proper answers. Got it.
Who needs Windows? You need to use better applications. And if work requires Windows, this article still doesn’t apply because it is the company’s responsibility, not yours, and running on an unsupported machine is a security risk.
I use Linux and none of the programs I need for structural engineering work on Linux.
Trust me, I would totally ditch the dual boot if I could, but sadly, I can’t
What are they called? What do you need for Linux that only works on Windows or Mac right now?
Revit, Tekla, AutoCAD, the usual. I have tried out FreeCAD but found it clunky to use comparably.
Try BriscCAD. It is very similar to AutoCAD and supports their files.
Revit seems to work fine with Wine, and although wineHQ reports Tekla performance as garbage, that was a very long time ago. It probably works better now.
Trust me, if you’re used to the AutoCAD workflow and UI, BricsCAD is just different enough that it can be a bit jarring and a huge drop to your productivity.
Because of course there’s absolutely no program a regular person outside of work could possibly need Windows for. None at all. Not a single application. Not a single game. Not a single piece of hardware they’re using (like many laptops with hardware needing specific drivers that don’t exist for linux).
Nope, absolutely nothing a regular user could have a need for Windows.
OWC instructions for updating their firmware on macOS are basically “Install parallels. Install windows 11. Run the firmware updater.”
https://eshop.macsales.com/support/owc-thunderbolt-3-dock
I didn’t say all applications work. I said use better ones.
As for hardware, less computers support win11 than Linux. You can run Linux on 40 year old computers, and on brand new computers.
Ans this article is literally about bypassing the restrictions that were put in place to protect users with CPUs that have the specte and meltdown vulnerabilities. You’re safer on win10 even after they stop supporting it than win11.
So just another variation of the “you’re using it wrong” excuse. Gotcha.
If you’d rather risk becoming a botnet node than to even consider using alternative software then you are absolutely using it wrong.
If your computer doesn’t support win11, then switching to Linux before win10 ends is the only right choice. The other less right choices are:
Stay on win10, Upgrade to win11 and disconnect it from the network and the internet permanently.
The worst choice is do what OP did.
I’m sorry but “you need to use better applications” is very funny to read when most of the time the Linux open source alternative will never be as good as the product made by the company that has hundreds of paid employees working on it.
Except most big open source project are developed by companies, and only the tiny ones aren’t. This applies to all open source projects on all platforms.
Also, most of them already are better. People just don’t want to change their layouts and workflows. And people also don’t value privacy, which if they would, they wouldn’t rate the proprietary software as half as good.
made by the company that has hundreds of paid employees working on it.
You’d have a point there, if the company’s aim was solely to make a better product; it’s been increasingly about increasing their margins at the expense of the users, advertising as much as possible and buying out the competition.
otoh a lot of the most useful and enduring software ever made has been made by volunteers in their spare time
*bites the tongue as hard as possible to not say The Thing*
Install Hackintosh MacOS
/s
Go ahead… you can whisper it to me
Find God and switch to templeos. /s
Jk. Everyone knows Hannah Montana Linux is the next big thing.
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I started wetting the bed again when I was 11. It continued every few nights until I was 18.
Then it turns out I wasn’t urinating at all. I was just raised in a very controlling home, which meant I had no idea what masturbation was.
It wasn’t until I started having sex that I found out I had been having wet dreams for years, and getting made fun of for it by my dad.
Now my dad is in his 70s, and wonders why nobody will talk to him anymore. Newsflash asshole! You can’t talk to mommy anymore! 103 is a great age to live to, but people aren’t immortal.
Sir this is a Wendy’s
just use linux
Give me a good Linux distro that’s great on a tablet PC
ubuntu. anything with gnome, really.
I only ever use Windows on my work computer, and only when I need access to a resource that requires our Windows-only VPN.
But seriously, “just use linux” is worthless advice. Lots of people use Windows for specific applications that don’t exist in the Linux ecosystem. For example, there are no Linux applications that come close to AutoCAD, and it simply doesn’t work on Linux.
Better advice would be to get new (or newer used) hardware if possible, if you absolutely need to use Windows, since this workaround will inevitably be “corrected” by Microsoft. Then you can do whatever you like with the old hardware, such as install and learn Linux at your own pace.
“just use linux” is great advice. Not everybody has the money for PC upgrades. And the amount of people that require specific Windows programs and can not switch to an alternative that works on Linux is extremely small.
No, it’s useless advice for people who don’t already have knowledge about Linux.
What kind of knowledge do you think linux requires? Installing is like a 5 step process. Once installed any grandma can use GNOME or KDE just fine.
This is absolutely bullshit and you know it.
Just wondering, what kind of VPN is windows only? FortiNet? GlobalProtect?
From experience on Debian and Fedora:
Zerotier One runs, but if I try to play with someone inside that network, it’s extremely unstable or just won’t connect (tried with Yuzu, Ryujinx, tModloader and Minecraft)
Xlink Kai also runs, I’d like to use it with Dolphin Emulator but it always says it failed to assign an IP and to manually add it to my console… Which is impossible on Dolphin.
Both options work without tinkering on Windows, and it’s something I use regularly, I have no idea why they don’t on Linux and most of the time I get redirected to the documentation… Which is useless anyway.
It’s some kind of locked-down version of GlobalProtect that’s integrated with a TPM module to prevent machines that aren’t running our corporate image on corporate-approved laptops from being able to connect.
There’s probably some kind of workaround, but I’m lazy and it’s easier just to power up the Windows machine now and then.
you are talking about a small minority of users. what percentage of users use autocad at all?
Not many, but plenty use various corporate applications that are Windows-only.
such as?
As an engineer, all my jobs so far have used niche internal corporate software which would only be available for Windows. This would be Document Management Systems (DMS’s), internal reporting tools (progress and hour keeping), software distribution programs etc.
And of course the engineering tools themselves are often only built for Windows, whether it’s proprietary PLC programming environments or CAD software.
That said, I can run both WSL and a corporate-approved Debian VM on the same work laptop as a compromise, for whatever makes sense for the task. Still sucks though! At home I’m a Debian fanboy 4 lyfe.
you are still talking about niche software though
in my office about 90% of people there could be using linux for their daily tasks with no issues.
Hmm, I wonder if the server install trick would fix my issue with upgrading to 24H2. On my desktop system, when it reboots for upgrades, it bluescreens saying it can’t find the storage device. I’m guessing it’s something to do with the RAID driver.
Edit: nope lol
I need to try that actually for my old laptop. It blue screens if it updates past 1809
Has nobody heard of a vm? Who the fuck runs windows on bare metal thats fucked.
14 billions computers probably
Ud think people would learn after they all blue screened.
Haven’t had a blue screen in probably a decade.
What are you referring to here?
probably the CrowdStrike bug. Which is 3rd party software
Just spitballing here, but I think the vast majority of the United States corporate workforce?
I struggle to have any sympathy for them.
you seem to think people have a choice. crazy
Thats my point they do. Vm windows inside it for ur bullshit windows stuff. Well unless u wanna run games wirh invasive anti cheats. I need windows for my cad shit and i just put it in a vm and passed through my gpu.
no, they dont.
most people do not get to go into work and say ‘im not using windows, sir’ because the business has long since bent over for microsofts services
your comment reminds me of people complaing about people living in war torn countries ‘well they can just move!’
nonsense
Great Scott, you are toxic
You can use VMs even more ambitiously. If your wi-fi is not supported by FreeBSD - there’s a
wifiboxport, basically it runs a minimal Linux with PCI passthrough.And of course if I need Windows, it won’t be bare metal.
