How was Hamas forced to kill over a thousand civilians, including women and children? How were they forced to open fire on a music festival? How does that solve the problem of Israeli settlers? How do these solve anything?
There’s also an overwhelming amount of evidence for Hamas’s continued human rights abuses, including among them the continued hostage situation (although it’s anyone’s guess on how many of those hostages still live.)
Per the article, Hamas still engaged in quite a lot of rape, some of it documented on video, and 38 children were executed, including 3 under the age of three.
Literally nowhere jn the article does it mention this. And you’re creating a strawman argument. I never denied the crimes committed. I just said they were greatly exaggerated. Until you provide evidence of the actual things Al-Jazeera debunked this conversation is not going anywhere.
How was Hamas forced to kill over a thousand civilians, including women and children? How were they forced to open fire on a music festival?
Read the links I sent you.
How does that solve the problem of Israeli settlers? How do these solve anything?
That’s on Israel to figure out.
There’s also an overwhelming amount of evidence for Hamas’s continued human rights abuses, including among them the continued hostage situation (although it’s anyone’s guess on how many of those hostages still live.)
Criticizing Hamas of human rights abuses while not even acknowledging the human rights abuses perpetrated by Israel is incredibly hypocritical. Hamas are amateurs at this compared to Israel.
Literally nowhere in the article does it mention this
From the article:
Al Jazeera devotes a lot of time to playing a numbers game, claiming that very few children actually died. They claim that only 2 babies were killed on October 7th. Already, this is false, as at least three children under the age of 3 were killed. Further, 38 children were killed. Not in a crossfire. Not in the fog of war. But by being executed by Hamas fighters who could see they were children
Al Jazeera blatantly lies about the sexual violence that occurred on October 7th, moving between claims that no rape occurred, to that some rapes occurred. Further arguments that it was not systematic are petty and irrelevant. Hamas fighters raped men and women and got away with it. That’s what matters.
Read the links I sent you. That’s on Israel to figure out.
Can you put it in your own words?
Criticizing Hamas of human rights abuses while not even acknowledging the human rights abuses perpetrated by Israel is incredibly hypocritical. Hamas are amateurs at this compared to Israel.
Women do not have equal status under the law compared to men. Nearly 60% of women living there have experienced violence at the hands of their spouses. Barely any of these cases were reported to the authorities, let alone investigated.
LGBT+ people have very few, if any, rights in Gaza, and Hamas has described attempts at changing this as promoting “deviance and moral decay”.
There is a history of violations of freedom of association, notably involving government accountability and women’s rights.
Oh yeah, and Hamas is still holding people hostage. Why?
First point is not something the Al-Jazeera article even mentioned. As foe the second point, the article I linked didn’t say no rapes occurred. Just that it wasn’t as systemic and widespread as initial claims. I think this is the 5th time I’ve said but I’ll say it again. I never said bad things didn’t happen, only that it was greatly exaggerated and people have used these exaggerations to help justify all the evil Israel is currently doing.
Can you put it in your own words?
I have been. I switched to official sources since you didn’t seem to take what I said seriously. If you don’t want to listen to actual evidence and reason then there’s no point in this conversation continuing.
Your points of Hamas human rights abuses is pretty hypocritical given your staunch support of Israel. The links I gave you o ly scratch the surface of all the evil Israel has done. No one made the claim that Hamas is some beacon or example of human rights.
Oh yeah, and Hamas is still holding people hostage. Why?
Same reason Israel still has hostages as well, and a lot more of them at that too. Not to mention the entire Gaza Strip.
The only new thing Oct 7th introduced was that the civilians dying were white and not brown.
Absolutely incorrect, Israeli civilians have been dying for decades.
Like I said above. Oct 7th wasn’t the beginning of this conflict. And Gaza was being wiped out before it, just more slowly and a lot more quietly. Hamas didn’t start this fight, they’re just fighting back for their freedom and very lives.
Yes or no, does that justify shooting up a music festival and raping who-knows-how-many women?
The links I gave you o ly scratch the surface of all the evil Israel has done.
If the offense on Rafah is a genocide, then why did Israel order an evacuation of the area? If Israel just wants to kill as many Palestinians as possible, none of the evacuation orders would have happened. At the start of the war, at least, Hamas refused to allow people to evacuate Gaza. That means they’re complicit in the ensuing deaths.
Using human shields is an abominable practice indeed. Israeli soldiers should be punished severely for doing so. Hamas should, as well, because they’re experts at it.
If the claims about AI are true - they seem to originate from a number of unnamed sources - then their use should be ended. To say that Hamas is any better in this regard is only a matter of scale. If they had as sophisticated a military as Israel’s, Israel would no longer exist.
The alternative to blockading Gaza is allowing the flow of resources to the enemy that Israel is fighting. Israel has been issuing evacuation orders since the start of the war; Hamas revels in the death of its people.
Per the article, Hamas still engaged in quite a lot of rape, some of it documented on video, and 38 children were executed, including 3 under the age of three. Were babies beheaded? Apparently not, but children still died at the hands of Hamas murderers. And there’s an entire article on Wikipedia about the sexual violence that happened on that day.
How was Hamas forced to kill over a thousand civilians, including women and children? How were they forced to open fire on a music festival? How does that solve the problem of Israeli settlers? How do these solve anything?
There’s also an overwhelming amount of evidence for Hamas’s continued human rights abuses, including among them the continued hostage situation (although it’s anyone’s guess on how many of those hostages still live.)
Literally nowhere jn the article does it mention this. And you’re creating a strawman argument. I never denied the crimes committed. I just said they were greatly exaggerated. Until you provide evidence of the actual things Al-Jazeera debunked this conversation is not going anywhere.
Read the links I sent you.
That’s on Israel to figure out.
Criticizing Hamas of human rights abuses while not even acknowledging the human rights abuses perpetrated by Israel is incredibly hypocritical. Hamas are amateurs at this compared to Israel.
From the article:
For more specific sources, The Guardian reports that the UN reported “clear and convincing information” detailing rape of women and children hostages by Hamas. There’s a link to their findings in the article. Per Reuters, the White House said it has no reason to doubt authenticity of Israeli attack images.
Can you put it in your own words?
Here are a few key points from Amnesty International:
Oh yeah, and Hamas is still holding people hostage. Why?
First point is not something the Al-Jazeera article even mentioned. As foe the second point, the article I linked didn’t say no rapes occurred. Just that it wasn’t as systemic and widespread as initial claims. I think this is the 5th time I’ve said but I’ll say it again. I never said bad things didn’t happen, only that it was greatly exaggerated and people have used these exaggerations to help justify all the evil Israel is currently doing.
I have been. I switched to official sources since you didn’t seem to take what I said seriously. If you don’t want to listen to actual evidence and reason then there’s no point in this conversation continuing.
Your points of Hamas human rights abuses is pretty hypocritical given your staunch support of Israel. The links I gave you o ly scratch the surface of all the evil Israel has done. No one made the claim that Hamas is some beacon or example of human rights.
Same reason Israel still has hostages as well, and a lot more of them at that too. Not to mention the entire Gaza Strip.
Alright, I’ll go back to your previous comments and address them.
In their charter, Hamas quoted Hadiths about such an extreme war against the Jews that a tree/rock would tell them that a Jew was hiding behind it and ask them to kill him. That’s not just anti-zionist.
Absolutely incorrect, Israeli civilians have been dying for decades.
Yes or no, does that justify shooting up a music festival and raping who-knows-how-many women?
Let’s see. Hamas has been placing weapons in schools and hospitals since at least 2014. It’s impossible to not attack “civilian” buildings when Hamas does this.
If the offense on Rafah is a genocide, then why did Israel order an evacuation of the area? If Israel just wants to kill as many Palestinians as possible, none of the evacuation orders would have happened. At the start of the war, at least, Hamas refused to allow people to evacuate Gaza. That means they’re complicit in the ensuing deaths.
Given that Hamas fighters do not wear uniforms, and the general mixing of Hamas fighters among the population of Gaza, civilian deaths are inevitable. One of your sources about Israel using human shields confirms Hamas’s use of human shields. But not only do they store weapons in civilian areas, in 2014, they were also quite proud of the fact that they cause so many civilian deaths as a result: “Hamas despises those defeatist Palestinians who criticise the high number of civilian casualties. The resistance praises our people … we lead our people to death … I mean, to war.”
Using human shields is an abominable practice indeed. Israeli soldiers should be punished severely for doing so. Hamas should, as well, because they’re experts at it.
If the claims about AI are true - they seem to originate from a number of unnamed sources - then their use should be ended. To say that Hamas is any better in this regard is only a matter of scale. If they had as sophisticated a military as Israel’s, Israel would no longer exist.
The alternative to blockading Gaza is allowing the flow of resources to the enemy that Israel is fighting. Israel has been issuing evacuation orders since the start of the war; Hamas revels in the death of its people.
I’ll end the comment with this: The majority of Gazans support Hamas’s rule, approve their decision to kill over 1,000 people without warning, believe they committed no atrocities on October 7th, and want Hamas to return to power once this war is over. They want this war.