• GarlicToast@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    Let break it down.

    Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967

    False, Israel left Gaza in 2005, the blockade started after Hamas fired rockets into Israel.

    Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations.

    False, Hamas is a modern, local, branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. A movement that was already active in the area in 1929 (1929 Palestine riots).

    Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.

    This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt. Yes. Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.

    It is not ‘99% Muslim because they murdered everyone else’ that’s an insane racist lie. Palestine has historically been a safe haven for people of every religion seeking asylum from persecution.

    Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929? Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)? The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.

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      2 months ago

      Gaza has never stopped being under Israeli occupation since 1967

      True, already gave quotes and sources

      Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations.

      Also true. Hamas was established during the First intifada against the Israeli occupation in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.

      This is why Israel has peace with Jordan and Egypt.

      Because they are US client States. Peace with Jordan and Egypt never meant peace with Palestinians. In fact quite the opposite, it’s enabled Israel to continue the daily violence of Occupation and Apartheid.

      Also, remind me, who broke the ceasefire on 2006? On 2023? Not Israel.

      There is no peace under a violent occupation and Apartheid. Palestinians have never been able to live in peace. Anti-colonialist violence is bound to happen in response to Colonialism.

      Like the Jewish people that lived in Gaza in 1929? Like the Jewish people of Zfat in (1834 looting of Safed as an example, there are more)? The Christian population in most, if not all, Muslim controlled territories has declined due to persecution by Muslims.

      1929 Riots

      Palestinian politics was driven not only by poverty but also by religion, particularly in Jerusalem. The religious nature of al-Husayni’s own leadership as the highest religious dignitary in the land, whose authority stemmed from a Jerusalemite genealogy, turned the attention of many Palestinians to Zionist activity in that city. In 1929, when sporadic acts of violence surrounding the issue of holy places in Jerusalem turned into days of rioting, al-Husayni was unprepared. He had sensed rising tension in Jerusalem in 1928, in the face of a suspected Jewish drive to expand the Wailing Wall area, which would have undermined the holiest place for Islam in Jerusalem, Haram al-Sharif, the site of the al-Aqsa mosque. He hoped to exert control by establishing a committee for the defence of Jerusalem in 1928, to counteract any Zionist attempts to build a third Temple there.

      Ironically, al-Husayni lost control because he was now trusted by a wider range of Palestinians than anyone in his family before him. The a’ayan traditionally valued ambiguity and caution as the best means of navigating their communities through times of trouble. In 1928, this meant simultaneously calling for the defence of Jerusalem and discouraging direct action on the ground. But the Palestinian masses found this kind of co-opted nationalism impossible. They lived near the holy places and saw Jews praying there in unprecedented numbers, which they saw as part of a larger scheme to ‘de-Islamize’ Palestine. A minor incident concerning prayer arrangements near the Wailing Wall, the western wall of the Haram, sparked violence that soon swept through Palestine as a whole in 1929. In all, 300 Jews and a similar number of Palestinians were killed.

      The spillover of anger from Jerusalem into the countryside and other towns was not a co-ordinated plan by the leadership. Rather, it started with uprooted Palestinians who had lost their agricultural base for various reasons, including the capitalization of crops and the Jewish purchase of land. These former peasants lived on the urban margins, from where they participated in what to them was their first ever political, and violent, action. Their dismal conditions were not the fault of Zionism, but it was easy to connect Zionist activity in Jerusalem with the purchase of land or with an aggressive segregationist policy in the labour market.

      Those pogroms in 1834 was certainly motivated by Antisemitism, exploited under the conditions of Egyptian occupation. But no, you cannot paint the an entire people as antisemitic because of this.

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