Republicans took the POTUS, senate, & they will keep the house. It’s an environmental disaster. Dems: plz don’t wait for the next election. You can vote every day

activistPnk@slrpnk.net · edit-2 1 month ago

Republicans took the POTUS, senate, & they will keep the house. It’s an environmental disaster. Dems: plz don’t wait for the next election. You can vote every day

activistPnk@slrpnk.net · edit-2 2 months ago

The popular vote does not matter. It has no effect and no consequences. So you can give up on that.

Boycotts have consequences, so no good reason to neglect to boycott. In the very least you can rest knowing that you are not part of the problem.

Folks in my family vote D every opportunity. That’s a periodic drop-in-the-ocean single micro action. Then every single fucking day spanning the next 4 years they will continue to vote for all the republicans in the country (esp. Greg Abbott) by putting gas in their cars and feeding banks. It’s reckless. Then they wonder why republicans take power.

(edit) I have only ever heard anti-boycott folks claim (incorrectly¹) that boycotts do not work. Never has anyone given good cause for wasting your consumer power for nothing in return. It’s obviously a fool’s move to give up power for nothing.

¹ Recent example of boycotts working: McDonalds in Israel gave free meals to soldiers. Consumers outside Israel boycotted McDonalds, even though it was completely different store ownership, which would almost seem silly superficailly. But it worked so well that McDonalds bought all the Israeli shops with their brand just to nix the free meal promo to protect their brand.

It’s not just Republican shenanigans and Gerrymandering. We’ll see what the popular vote comes out to be; maybe Kamala will have “won” that,

That’s not how gerrymandering works. Gerrymandering affects the house and has zero effect on the POTUS election. So you are looking at irrelevant factors while ignoring opportunities to have effect – and worse in fact, encouraging others to not use their power. Your stance is purely destructive to your own apparent political posture.

American people didn’t understand Project 2025, or they agreed with it; both options are utterly demoralizing.

The inaction you advocate only supports Project 2025.

Ledivin@lemmy.world · 2 months ago

Then every single fucking day spanning the next 4 years they will continue to vote for all the republicans in the country (esp. Greg Abbott) by putting gas in their cars and using banks.

lol

𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social · 2 months ago

The popular vote does not matter. It has no effect and no consequences. So you can give up on that.

I didn’t say it’d have any practical consequence. It would, however, maybe keep alive the dying ember in my soul that there’s a tiny shed of hope for some future generation.

Boycotts have consequences

Do they? I’ve been boycotting Nestlé for about a decade now, and they seem to be utterly indifferent to the fact.

putting gas in their cars and feeding banks. It’s reckless. Then they wonder why republicans take power.

I… look I get your point, but at the risk of nitpicking, how are they supposed to not put gas in their car? Quit their jobs, or get fired because they won’t come in to work? Even if you live in a city, most in the US have barely serviceable public transportation systems, and companies are going hard-core rolling back WFH.

Recent example of boycotts working: McDonalds in Israel gave free meals to soldiers.

Has it stopped Israel’s invasion of Gaza yet? Heck, it’s even limited in effectiveness when whole countries join a boycott. Russia’s under sanctions, which is just a fancy word for country-level boycotts, and while it may have slowed them down, they still seem to be making steady progress. “Blood diamond” boycotts haven’t put Debeers out of business yet.

Boycotting is mostly a feel-good gesture, or, I’ll grant, “at least I can feel like I’m not contributing” moral superiority - which certainly has value.

You seem to think I’m anti-boycott, when I actually just think they only rarely move needles.

That’s not how gerrymandering works.

Gerrymandering affects state legislature, which translates directly into local laws that directly affect things that influence general elections - like voter intimidation laws, registration laws, mail-in voting laws, judicial and law enforcement elections, and countless legislation.

The inaction you advocate only supports Project 2025.

Uh huh. Boycotting’s going to reinstate Roe v Wade. You go ahead and message me an “I Told You So” when that happens.

activistPnk@slrpnk.net · edit-2 2 months ago

Do they? I’ve been boycotting Nestlé for about a decade now, and they seem to be utterly indifferent to the fact.

I’ve been doing the same. Glad to hear you are not taking your own advice. I have also voted in elections going back decades, and not a single election has been influenced by my vote alone. Should I stop voting?

Has it stopped Israel’s invasion of Gaza yet?

You may have misunderstood the goal of the boycott. The goal was to stop a piece of the private sector from supporting the IDF. It worked so well that it forced a corporation to buy ~130 or so stores just to end the boycott. The boycotter’s demands were satisfied.

The Israel boycott led to the German grocer Lidl to struggle to sell Israel-sourced produce (which is often grown on Palestinian land). Lidl was losing money so they resorted to fraud and got caught labeling Israel-sourced produce as coming from a different country. Aldi North had the same problem and they resorted to opacity (removing the source tag when it was Israel). Of course it leads to people boycotting the whole store. Less revenue for Israel means less tax and greater dependency on the US, who is under pressure to keep Israel on a leash. Expecting a war to end due to a boycott is unrealistic. But if you do your part you can be part of the pressure in the right direction.

BDS is regarded as such a threat that the US gov has actually banned boycotting Israel. If the only effect is to “give people good feelings”, why ban it?