This analysis on Tildes was spot on: https://tildes.net/~health.mental/1jwf/american_election_mental_health_thread#comment-e0uw
Perhaps if we had embraced the working class whites 20 years ago, things would be different today. Perhaps we could have working and lower class folks of all backgrounds voting for abortion rights, women’s rights, labor rights, and gay rights. Maybe they would be our most loyal allies. But instead, we abandoned them and let the wolves pretend to be their friends.
I’m not American. I live in Europe.
But I’ll give an insight. Socdem party lost support for most people because they systemically failed to address the issues of the working class.
People can have empathy for other people’s problems. But when no one cares about your problems a ñnd election after election they ask you to vote them because empathy to others, and never for your own good, because they never do anything for you. And your life keeps getting worse and worse, and still they refuse to address your problems, and keep wanting your vote just for “stopping fascism” or “being solidary”… You can do that for one election, maybe two… But at some point you just phase out, you just cannot care anymore. If they don’t do anything for you, and you need something being done, you just don’t vote.
And seeing the low democratic turnout in the US, I think it may be the answer. Maybe people that didn’t show up yesterday is people that needed their problem solved the last 4 years and they just got ignored by the Democratic party. So they just didn’t vote the Democratic party out of spite.
I will actually probably won’t vote in my country next election. Fully knowing that the conservative and fascist parties will win and form a coalition government.
But SocDem and Communists have been ruling 8 years and they failed to address my issues. I cannot, in good conscience, keep giving them my vote knowing what they are doing with it. I just have my dignity. I will stand against the altRight on my own terms when they’ll raise to power if necessary, but I’ll refuse to give my vote to anyone who didn’t deserve it.
Correct. Democrats - especially the more SJW ones - keep advocating for the end of the Gaza genocide (which is a legitimate point) but won’t offer any hope for own citizens who can’t make ends meet due to inflation. Then the only choice is to vote to the other guy who promises those things. It is not that the other guy can improve this but at least he acknowledged that it was a problem that bothers voters.
I wonder what he thinks by ending the Gaza genocide. I have a feeling it’ll mean an accelerated one.
I dont understand that sentiment… i mean yes, i agree the parties should absolutely do more and listen to their voters… but the fact of the matter you have to play the game because the alternative is worst. You think noone listens to you now? What makes you think letting the opposition win will do for you? It will only make your life worse.
Do you think the governments in 1930’s europe appeared out of thin air? No, they were elected until they held enoigh power to consume total power. Literally tens of millions of people suffered all over the world because people became complacent.
Dont ever give up hope vote for the lesser evil and push for more grass roots movements so the lesser evil will become the even lesser. If you dont, you may never have that freedom again.
heres a game, i have a hot iron, you will press your hand to it and i will role a dice, the first role is with a d6 if it lands on 1 i will give you £30, the second time i will role a d12 if again it lands on 1 i will give you £30, this dice becomes progressively bigger and your odds smaller the longer this game runs. will you continue to play the game?
The point is, they don’t need your vote. Your sword is a threat to no one while sheathed.
Democracy is dead because America would rather elect a male that jerks off a microphone than a woman.
Already heard “unlikable” again last night. Right. Fool us once.
It’s this. America cannot fathom that a well qualified Black woman could be better than the most basic of white men.
Could you imagine if SHE had sucked off a mic? People already didn’t vote for her because they thought she slept her way to get where she is.
Thing is, I’m sure if the only thing different was Walz on top of the ticket and Kamela on the bottom, and the campaign was ran the EXACT same way. Trump would have been defeated in a landslide.
The most basic?
The most degenerate of white men, more like
32 felonies, even!
Yes, that is his identity.
The party should have recognized this insurmountable weakness, if it even was one, and did what it needed to to win. Whatever you suss out is the lesson from this election is, I just think it’s pitiful they can’t beat the orange turd that just won’t flush.
It is easy to blame american to not wanting to vote for a women instead of blaming a campaign that ignored key state last time “hillary and Michigan” and a campaign “ignored a key voting issue” for many people.
No matter the cause, it is extremely disheartening that government cannot fend off the likes of donald trump. What ever is broken is beyond repair, imo.
It’s not broken. It’s working exactly as designed, sadly.
I live in a deep red state where my vote effectively does not count. Yesterday morning, I woke to an absurd amount of hip/back pain and could barely stand up. Yet I still drug my ass to the polls and stood in line for my turn to vote.
Whatever happens, I blame the fickle morons who stayed home. The parties, platforms, politics, etc. are what they are, if you can’t be bothered to at least vote for the lesser of two evils, then you deserve everything you get.
Agreed. In the 2016 election I checked myself out of the hospital against my doctor’s advice, donned a mask, and coughed my way through the voting line with pneumonia. There’s no excuse, especially with how easy it is to absentee vote nowadays.
No, I will not reside myself to think democrats did everything they could have. The only thing the democrats have done in my lifetime is lead people straight into shark infested waters. I’m not saying I won’t ever vote for them again but I don’t see them ever winning anything of substance if they can’t beat trump.
The fact that Trump was chosen for a president, might be a nice clue that Americans live in a idiocracy now.
It’s really just a great unmasking. This is the america I grew up in. Now it just goes uncensored.
Don’t be fooled. Trump won because over 70 million Americans would rather have him than a woman.
I’m hearing trump didn’t add any supporters. This whole thing was a failure in turnout. I won’t say America isn’t deeply sexist because I’m not stupid. I will say that voting just to have a women be president, no, that was not enough and it wasn’t enough in 2016 either.
Trump doesn’t win if 70 million Americans don’t vote for him.
I’ll let you preach. Say what you got to say.
“Parties? Were we’re going, we don’t need parties.”
I fully believe there will never again be another legitimate election in the US. Except, I want to be devil advocate and say Trump can’t pull it off. I know that’s not true so I have to kinda decide if I want to larp it.
Trump can pull it off, but Trump can also shit himself and fail. Either possibility is there. Either way, though, we’re looking at four years of right-wing policy and, like last time, in case any of the dumb fucks who think “Swing to the right = Later swing to the left”, a resurgence in conservative views that four years of non-fascists isn’t enough to completely reverse.
We likely lose another supreme court justice seat if not more. Also all the old fuck justices destroying our country will step out and be replaced with truely diabolical assholes because Rs play for keeps. Sorry, the only way to save the court after today is massive reform, good luck.
I swear the liberals sitting this one out will regret nothing more in their very turbulent future.
I swear the liberals sitting this one out will regret nothing more in their very turbulent future.
Don’t worry. The leftists will find someone else to blame.
I thought they blamed biden and bibi.
No, they’ve moved on to blaming Harris for not ‘inspiring’ them to vote against fascism, and Harris voters for daring to vote against fascism in a FPTP system.
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The illusion of freedom of choice is a powerful tool.
Its dead because people voted for this guy and his anti democratic policies.
achktualy less peoples voted for him this time
https://xcancel.com/babadookspinoza/status/1854177875093557471
thats great but enough people voted for him. I saw a figure with over 50% and I believe in 2020 he lost the popular vote. He would not have won if people and an aweful lot of them, had not voted for him.
We’ve been on the idiocracy set for decades
Trump is a talented, comforting story teller to the dull cow-eyed masses. Harris, not understanding human nature, thought that fighting fantasy, comfort, and escapism with facts and warnings was a winning strategy.
I saw the writing on the wall when comparing Trump’s actual speech performance at his rallies against his critics’ delusions of dementia and mental unfitness.
You know what I love watching more then anything. Watching a bully get shat on. If dems could harness this power and step down from the high horse you might see things start to change. Except it will take some self actualization from institutional politicians. Don’t worry though, it’s coming. They will get the boot and their high mindedness will evaporate.
This is my take away from this. I’ve gotten nothing trying to live by the rules and trying to be a kind human being. At this point why the fuck shouldn’t I just be a selfish asshole, it seems to work for the people we hold as exemplars of our society.
Sounds like you don’t value being a good person, which is fine. For me it’s the only thing I value. Take my justice; take my earnings; take my freedom; you won’t ever find me lose hope that being kind to others may result in me meeting others who will be kind to me. That when we are together; I will have found my home and the place where I belong in this brief moment before I am dust.
At the same time. I cannot be kind to those that take justice from my brothers and sisters; I cannot be kind to those that take earnings from my brothers and sisters; I cannot be kind to those that take freedom from my brothers and sisters. That would not be kind for the people I love more then anything.
I value being a good person, but if being a good person gets people killed and the alternative doesn’t, then being a good person relies on not being a good person.
It’s a paradox, but if saving America means putting on a baseball cap, dropping a few racial slurs, and calling the opposing political party an “enemy from within” who must be “purged”, is what wins an election, than for God’s sake do it.
I wouldn’t say I don’t value being a good person, but I’m tired man. It’s getting real hard to hold onto my faith in humanity to be better.
I’ve tried being a good person, to help people when I can. I look around though and all I see are selfish assholes having a much better time, assholes who aren’t sad, and despondent all the time.
To twist the saying, if assholery is bliss, this folly to be kind.
I’m not so jealous that I think about abandoning things that make me, me. Maybe I’m a shit person and I should change here and there to experience a different side of things. Except, I rely on who it is I think I am and want to be. Everyday. If I could easily shed that, I probably would, because I’ll tell you it comes with a lot of suffering and grief. Anxiety, depression, apathy, and a constant numbness to the world around me. There is something rare about me you probably will not find in your day to day. I have abandoned everything once and you know what I found? All roads lead home. Though, I’ve been able to shed some other baggage and surround myself with the person I admire most I keep fighting for the person I want to be.
I’m tired, I’ll admit it. The only thing I can say for myself, though, is my life is now full of purpose.
How about because of the political system that doesnt make rulers accountable to their base and give little incentive to appeal to anyone but the well of? Just make yourself slightly more appealing than the opposition
Everyone screaming about democracy just died. In fact it was always dead. Electoral college system basically disregards voter who does not vote for winning party. It’s a system where you have only two choices, thus less competition, thus lower quality of candidates. Then everyone is like “is this best US can do?”. Let alone gerrymandering. People should be rioting, not because Trump won, but because system is not democratic.
I didn’t create this democracy nor do I endorsed it. I just think as we venture down this road of right wing authoritarianism people like yourself may grow to have an appreciation for what it did offer.
