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      Believe Climate Change is real, but insist we can’t do anything to stop it as your base is driven insane by the loaming crisis.

      Or deny climate change is happening and use your state agents to suppress dissenting views, so that people aren’t terrified all the time.

      These are your only two choices.

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        Thats how our shitty elections work, yes.

        But we all know you don’t give a shit, you probably didn’t even bother to register to vote. Joking about how few extra palestinians would die under trump in that other thread is kind of a giveaway you’re not interested in actually doing anything.

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      Ok, one side says it with actions, but the other says it with actions and words.

      That sounds like one side being honest.

      Drillin’ Joe was sure acting like it was a hoax!

      I voted Kamala, but I understand sitting out.

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        Yeah, given the choice between racism, mass deportations, mass incarcerations of trans people, and abuse of the office to punish his political opponents, and none of those things, I can definitely understand staying home too. They were really the same on all the other issues, and those are the ones that matter.

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          I didn’t do it, but I respect holding back in this election to demand a better option in the next one.

          I hear the next election will be the most important and pivotal ever!

          I hope the choices won’t be corpo trash and fascist dictator.

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            I hope the next time I’m trapped in a bus with ten other people, and we have a choice between driving the bus off a cliff and turning around and going back into town to get ice cream, I hope it’s a better flavor of ice cream. I voted ice cream this time, even though I hate rocky road. But the next time it better not be.

            “But the dems say that every year!” You saw what Trump did the first time he was in office. You’ve seen how directly he can control all three branches of the federal government. You’ve heard what he promised to do this time around. How can anyone with more than six brain cells possibly justify staying home?

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              Kamala isn’t “getting the wrong ice cream flavor” compared to Trump.

              She is still genocide, racism, incarceration, transphobia and the rest which you call Trump.

              She just sugarcoats it.

              The sugarcoating does make it palatable, but a palatable slavery to the rich is still a slavery to the rich.

              I don’t want a country run by a few guys getting rich off of bombing and incarcerating.

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                If you talk to anyone affected by the proposed policies you’d know there’s a fucking lightyear of distance between the two. Its not sugar coating. You can measure the difference in gallons of human blood.

                Gay and trans people are fucked by this. The supreme court is fucked by this. Ukraine is fucked by this. The climate is fucked by this. Immagrants are fucked by this. There’s now a real risk of entire cities in the US having the military used on them if they defy police. I’m sure you saw the people in portland being disappeared in vans during the riots there in 2020.

                Every extra person that dies or suffers because of this shit is on the bloody hands of assholes that sat this election out because picking a lesser evil was too hard of a choice for their delicate constitutions.

                You are doing all these people a disservice by trying to console them for being cowards and sitting things out. And they are cowards. The only sugar coating going on is to say they are not.

                And now we need to toughen them up. Because they chose a more difficult path for everyone.

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                She is still racism, incarceration, transphobia and the rest which you call Trump.

                [citation needed]

                I don’t want a country run by a few guys getting rich off bombing and incarcerating.

                No one does. But putting Kamala in office would have at least given us an easier conduit towards getting out of it.

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        Listen, as a brown person in America, just be honest.

        You caea about the genocide of brown people elsewhere, just not here.

        It’s OK, the vote is over, you don’t have to deny it anymore, we get it, it’s not like we’re surprised or anything, it’s basically America’s legacy.

        The shocking part?

        We thought you at least cared about women, but you’re literally no better than the racist sexist fascist neoconfederates that are proud to vote Trump.

        Just be honest with your words, your actions already spoke the truth.

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          You realize the person you replied to already said they voted D…

          Right?

          But even if they didn’t explicitly state it, the ones who didn’t hold their nose aren’t going to be hanging out on political forums.

          Why would they?

          They’re politically disengaged because “both parties are the same”.

          The way to get them involved is moving the party to the left, not the right like we have been. It’s always a great time to start, and the job is never over.

          The billionaires won’t stop buying off both parties, we gotta try to save at least one party.

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          You caea about the genocide of brown people elsewhere, just not here.

          What was Biden doing to stop the killing in his own country?

          You’ve got states lawlessly executing innocent men. You’ve got women bleeding out on hospital floors because doctors don’t want to be convicted of doing an illegal abortion. Over a million COVID deaths and counting. The rollback of post-COVID economic relief combined with the spike in inflation has driven up national poverty and thrown thousands more Americans out on the street despite millions of vacant units. Storms are killing Americans. Power failures are killing Americans. Lack of pharmaceuticals are killing Americans. Police violence. Vigilantism. The oppressive heat.

          Biden’s been in charge though it all.

          Just be honest with your words, your actions already spoke the truth.

          Right back atcha.

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            Ignorant moron.

            https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/02/us/alabama-hanging-death-dennoriss-richardson/index.html

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fbi-civil-rights-investigation-nc-police-shooting-1.6004160

            There are hundreds of these investigations, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Chauvin was in 2021

            Seriously, as a brown person, shut the fucking fuck up! You have no idea what living in this country under republicans is like, you can’t begin to imagine it and you need to take your privileged dick out of your overprivileged ass and realize what many of us are going to have to face now.

            Literally have the KKK reforming in anticipation of his inauguration, it’s “good people on both sides” all over again.

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              Seriously, as a brown person, shut the fucking fuck up! You have no idea what living in this country under republicans is like

              Tell it to Eric Adams, a man who took office under the Democratic flag and threw our people directly under the bus. Tell it to Lori Lightfoot, London Breed, John Whitmire - it seems like every Dem mayor has made it open season on the homeless and the vulnerable.

              But you don’t want to see this, because you think politics is a spectator sport.

              Literally have the KKK reforming in anticipation of his inauguration,

              With the blessing of every law enforcement agency in the country, it seems.

              Blue Lives Dems don’t seem to mind.

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                I could not dream of better evidence of a Lemming being a troll than replying to someone saying they’re scared for their life under the current political administration with “you think politics is a spectator sport”.

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                  UnderpantsWeevil has joked about how the likely extra deaths for even palestinians under trump are not worth considering. He’s 100% just here for some sort of weird argument fetish thing.

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                Dude you have problems.

                Trump literally told the proud boys to stand by, called neo-nazis “good people” and I just don’t even get where you’re going.

                Politics isn’t a sport, and the fuckers who didn’t vote deserve the blame because people will be hurt.

                You’re the one who seems to be trying to make it a game.

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                  Trump literally told the proud boys to stand by,

                  Harris spent the last three month trying to win those Proud Boys’ votes.

                  Politics isn’t a sport

                  Then stop treating it like one.

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          … My actions of voting Harris? My actions of working to get others to vote?

          It’s time to build a real alternative to America’s legacy of settler-colonialism, starting at a local level.

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        "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

        “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

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          You missed the second part: good men to do nothing, and your candidate to make a bunch of shitty shitty decisions.

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          Bystanders have a duty to step in.

          Michael Moore called Trump a Molotov Cocktail in 2016.

          Project 2025 is going to reshape the federal government. It is structured as a new constitution. It defines the roles and checks/balances of various government agencies at greater specificity than the constitution.

          We need to produce a progressive counter constitution that promises something better.

          Project 2025 is a specific deal with America.

          We need a better offer, and the people need to trust that the person running will enact it.

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            I agree with all that. I’m just asking you to stop coddling people who have made all our lives worse because they the prospect of voting vexes them. Do you think democrats will come up with better policies because they lost?

            We’re now further from a better deal for america than we have been in a while.