Bonus question: With or without - ?

  • rtxn@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    “The world should conform to my expectations, not long-standing conventions!”

    But if you engage your thinking meat, you might just discover the magic of alias untar='tar xvf'.

    • superkret@feddit.orgOP
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      10 days ago

      “long-standing conventions” is how you end up with Internet Explorer still pre-installed on Windows Server 2025.
      And when was the last time you used the tar “tape archiver” to archive things on tape?

      • rtxn@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        Magnetic tapes are still being used as long-term storage, as backups for example. They are inexpensive, compact, have zero moving parts, and are more durable than optical media. All you have to do is keep them in a location that is around room temperature, relatively dry, and away from magnets.

        But that’s not really what tar does. It simply collects the input files and writes them to a single contiguous data stream – a file not unlike an actual tape. It’s worked like that for, I shit you not, 45 years, and it is very much a single project holding up modern technology situation. I fear to imagine what would happen if it were to change.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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        10 days ago

        You may not have heard this, but tar can be used to work with non-tape archives.

        In fact, non-tape archives are the overwhelmingly popular workflow.

        • electricyarn@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          Does having to explain the history of a tool to understand why it works that way make it more or less useful?

          • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zip
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            9 days ago

            Neither, but understanding that and the ubiquity of that tool might help understand why it can’t simply be changed

    • pinkystew@reddthat.com
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      9 days ago

      Why are long standing conventions a good thing? Slavery was a longstanding convention.

      • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zip
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        9 days ago

        No human rights are violated by tar functioning the way it does, but changing it would cause a lot of problems without good reason since you could just as easily write an alias or wrapper to simplify the usage