The news stories seem to just leave out that the Israeli fans stole and burned a Palestinian flag, assaulted a taxi driver and vandalized a taxi, and marched through Amsterdam chanting racist slogans and celebrating dead children in Gaza. Then during the match they disrupted a moment of silence for Spanish flood victims with chant and firecrackers (because Spain acknowledged the genocide and initiated an arms embargo).
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/8/israeli-football-fans-clash-with-protesters-in-amsterdam
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans
But no, instead of a relatively straightforward escalation (still wrong) stemming from foreign racists staging a provocative march and being violent to citizens of the city, we instead just see the news parrot “it was a pogrom on poor Israelis just trying to enjoy some football”.
There was another news post earlier today with the same crazy bias, seemingly completely ignoring the bigoted, disrespectful-as-fuck shenanigans by pro-Israeli football hooligans.
They were likely paid to do this too (then a free military flight home)…Netanyohooo even said he was going to deploy troops to go get the fans. I hope all these countries hold their leaders accountable, because it’s going to happen again and again.
Legitimately, I’ve been feeling like I’m just a jaded cynic because my first thought after seeing the videos was “yeah, 100% they got paid or encouraged to do this by someone in the IDF/Government/mossad in order to continue the victim narrative they love to play nowadays”
Like… Maybe I’m just a shitty person, but it feels like the government of Israel really wants the world to equate the government with the people, and the country with all jews everywhere. So if you criticize one, you clearly must hate ALL of them, and therefore you are no better than a nazi in WW2.
That’s by design.
What do kids do when they have a fit and are rewarded with candy? They throw more fits. They 100% know it’s not antisemitism, theyre checking how far they can push their US backed military invasions. US taxpayers funds pay for most of it, so why not.
Netanyohooo even said he was going to deploy troops to go get the fans
That’s an odd statement. Like… get their troops marching on a foreign country to defend their hooligans and extract them back home? If not, then what?
Odd. Really odd.
No, the plan was to send military evacuation flights. I think it ended up not happening in the end.
“No!”…
See my comment here
Yeah, Netanyihoo is odd, and this should have caused much more outrage than it did. But “antisemitism”.
From here
The prime minister said he ordered the sending of two rescue planes to the Netherlands to evacuate the fans.
The Israeli military said it was preparing to deploy a rescue mission with the coordination of Dutch authorities.
However, the military’s international spokesperson Nadav Shoshani later said on X the mission would not be departing to Amsterdam
The Maccabi hooligans were escorted out of the city center by the police by bus after the police clamped down on the Maccabi rioters. But afterwards pro-Palestine rioters attacked everyone with a Maccabi scarf or who looked like an Israeli. Those people weren’t part of those Israeli instigators.
These weren’t anti-Semitic attacks, they were anti-Zionist protests. Even Jewish groups in Amstersam spoke up and said what the Israelis did was wrong.
Yeah, that’s why imperial news is pushing this propaganda. Gotta remember that the dems/politicians said anti-zionism = anti-semitism. That’s a crucial lie for brainwashing people into supporting genocide.
Interesting. The only source for the “Cancer Jews” is a fascist twitter channel, who has a video of attacks on a tram with that statement. However in the video such a chant cannot be heard.
https://x.com/LoneWolfRA/status/1856067780497551609/video/1?mx=2
“For justice & freedom. Seeks confrontation. #liberal #secular #economist #allochtoon #Amsterdammer Links opgevoed, Rechts ontwikkeld” The last part translates to “raised on the left, developed on the right”
Also the article seems to praise Geerd Wilders, who is known to be a fascist since over a decade.
Why is it that Zionists are always in bed with Fascists?
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This OP posting from JPost? The credibility is at an all time low.
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This is a seperate incident which happened more recently. After the one you wrote about.
My mistake, deleting it.
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Zionism is not Judaism. Anti-zionism is not Antisemitism.
The only real solution is a regime change to a One-State Solution with equal rights for all Israelis and Palestinians.
Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- The Transfer Committee, and the JNF Ethnic Cleansing, which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
According to fellow historians:
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
He deliberately (or by incompetence) omits and changes details, mistranslates, and distorts historical documents. Not surprising that this ill-informed post leans heavily on his work.
Lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris
Scholars have perceived an ideological shift in Morris’s work starting around 2000, during the Second Intifada. Morris’s perspective has been described as having become more conservative and more negative towards Palestinians, viewing the 1948 expulsions as a justified act.
Baruch Kimmerling
In an article in HNN, Baruch Kimmerling discusses Morris’ 2004 Haaretz interview in which Morris states:>
if he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job. I know that this stuns the Arabs and the liberals and the politically correct types. But my feeling is that this place would be quieter and know less suffering if the matter had been resolved once and for all. If Ben-Gurion had carried out a large expulsion and cleaned the whole country - the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan River. It may yet turn out that this was his fatal mistake. If he had carried out a full expulsion - rather than a partial one - he would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations… Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians. There are cases in which the overall, final good justifies harsh and cruel acts that are committed in the course of history.
Kimmerling describes Morrris’s views as “shocking” and says that Morris “has abandoned his historian’s mantle and donned the armor of a Jewish chauvinist who wants the Land of Israel completely cleansed from Arabs” He criticizes the analysis of Morris as misunderstanding the impact of the refugee problem on the current conflict, and the magnitude of an even larger refugee population.[35]
I encourage to read all of the “Praise and criticism” section in his wiki. Benny Morris is definitely not a reliable source.
Pappe is biased towards Palestinian emancipation. He explains his position and why in his introductions instead of hiding his bias like some Historians such as Benny Morris, who has justified the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948.
Here’s Pappe’s response to Benny Morris, where he debunks Morris’ claims:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/response-benny-morris-politics-other-means-new-republic/5040
CAMERA criticisms are easily debunked as seen here:
https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/42571
“Ben-Gurion’s 5 October 1937 letter thoroughly vindicates Ilan Pappé’s reading; indeed, the Pappé quotes to which CAMERA objects seem almost mild when compared to the actual words Ben-Gurion penned to his son. The more literal translation of the Ben-Gurion direct quote (“Webmust expel Arabs and take their place”) is actually stronger than Pappé’s freer rendering (“The Arabs must go”), although the meaning is basically the same. As for Pappé’s paraphrase, it is as accurate and comprehensive as any so succinct a sentence could possibly be.”
There’s plenty of reputable historians praising Pappe’s work and credibility. The criticisms don’t hold water. Maybe don’t be so quick to discredit his works. His works use a wide variety of sources.
Electrinic intifada:
From Wikipedia:
There is consensus that The Electronic Intifada is generally unreliable with respect to its reputation for accuracy, fact-checking, and error-correction. Almost all editors consider The Electronic Intifada a biased and opinionated source, so their statements should be attributed.
Mondoweis:
“Mondoweiss” is a hate site (UPDATED) from the Washington Post.
There is consensus that Media Bias/Fact Check is generally unreliable, as it is self-published. Editors have questioned the methodology of the site’s ratings.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
Even if you want to discredit those websites as a whole, it doesn’t change that those articles themselves are factual.
Mondoweiss is not a hate site. Anti-zionism is not Antisemitism.
Do you support all peoples claiming their homelands again through ethnic cleansing, no matter how much time has passed?
“Hey! Let’s go and settle a populated area by murdering and stealing from them because our people once lived there over 1500 years ago.” -Fucking savages.
Africa is my ancestors land and all the Africans can leave my home.
Hailing in from not Amsterdam, and this is still ridiculous.
They set attack the dutch and the dutch are the problem? Yeahhh. Even if what you said was true, it doesn’t give anybody the right to be violent or damage property. Your narrative doesn’t hold water and your cause is not just no matter how you look at it. You can say what you want about your little holy genocide, thats unrealted to this terrorism.
