The question is: how sure are you that it will be different when russia ultimately conquers ukraine?
I am not sure, but
May I (and every other Ukrainian, and every other human) pretty please decide my choices myself?
It doesn’t happen in Russia in a nearly similar scale though. How come that even though it’s “a political suicide” to criticize Ukraine (well, way less so than it was 2 years ago of course, but still) - and there are articles everywhere, including western media, about Zelensky’s atrocities - but there are very few news about this happening in Russia, even though they are the bad ones and criticizing them is as popular at it can be?
Fragging any officers on ukraine side is not really going to help anyone.
Fragging officers (including “recruitment officers”) is in fact the best thing you can do if you are already captured by “recruitment officers” and cannot escape the war. At least you will help other people, whom Zelensky’s regime will be more afraid to kidnap now.
Only real possibility for you would be to get out of the country by any means. Even if it means sneaking over the border at night with just a backpack.
That’s what people do, unfortunately a lot of people have either died that way, or were captured by the “heroes” of the border guard. Zelensky has way more success in defending the western border of his kingdom (against simple folk trying to escape his regime), then the eastern one (against a proper army). I know both people who managed to escape (although through occupied territories, not through forests/mountains/rivers) and those who got caught and sent to the meatgrinder.
May I (and every other Ukrainian, and every other human) pretty please decide my choices myself?
That would be the ideal situation, I absolutely agree. I wouldn’t want to be in your situation, believe me. Heck, I know a person who was in exactly your situation and he luckily managed to escape right as everything started.
Drafts are always a problem. Always has been through the history of humanity.
The thing is: Without boots on the ground, the country will stop to exist. And russia will not stop at ukraine. Any ukrainian person capable of walking and holding a gun will likely be drafted for whatever front will open up next.
If zelensky is as evil as you are painting him, he would have done a 16+ draft from day 1. But he didn’t. Instead he’s trying to get the most of what he has and tries to get as much proper supply as he can.
It doesn’t happen in Russia in a nearly similar scale though
It kind of does. espeically the forceful drafting. But due to the massive population difference it’s not that noticable, especially when you’re cleaning up the remote areas of the country first.
Fragging officers (including “recruitment officers”) is in fact the best thing you can do
You’re not going to frag any recruitement officers due to the lack of any grenades (I highly assume. maybe you stocked up).
Your first chance will be in training. And there you will likely just hit other draftees that may not be so happy about it.
Any officers there will be higher target value, but unless it’s someone super high ranked, you’re also just hitting draftees that would rather be at home
If you want to hurt the people responsible: if you get drafted and resigned to off yourself, might as well get to the front and take out some occupiers instead of dying by hurting the defending army that doesn’t want to exist.
The thing is: Without boots on the ground, the country will stop to exist. And russia will not stop at ukraine. Any ukrainian person capable of walking and holding a gun will likely be drafted for whatever front will open up next.
So maybe, just maybe, Ukrainians don’t care about the colors of the flag they are living under? Maybe, just maybe, it’s the west and Zelensky for whom it makes a difference, and who kill innocent people chasing THEIR goals?
Maybe, just maybe, your opinion is different from opinions of people who actually get slaughtered, maybe they don’t actually think that they will be killed by Russia/Putin and they would prefer that to dying for Zelensky’s regime?
If zelensky is as evil as you are painting him, he would have done a 16+ draft from day 1. But he didn’t.
Because he needs to create at least some kind of illusion that he is the good guy, doesn’t he?
After reading some headlines saying “Zelensky kidnaps boys (or maybe girls too) aged 16 (why not 14 though, there are already some “people” saying that if needed - 14 year olds will be mobilized as well) are kidnapped and sent to the meatgrinder” probably even democrats/liberals would stop supporting this madness? At least I hope they would, I don’t know if there are ANY red lines here…
It kind of does. espeically the forceful drafting. But due to the massive population difference it’s not that noticable
That’s awful, why does nobody talk about it? I don’t see it mentioned in the news lately, while Zelensky’s regime kidnappings are very well covered even in the western media nowadays. Whoever does not put this into mass media is doing Russians a favour, because some naive folks like me might start thinking that it’s actually Zelensky’s regime who does it, and people on Russia controlled territories are way safer and have more freedom than those who are on Zelensky controlled territories.
You’re not going to frag any recruitement officers due to the lack of any grenades (I highly assume. maybe you stocked up).
It doesn’t have to be a grenade - “Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing of a soldier, usually a superior, by a fellow soldier.”. Whatever wounds/kills your kidnapper (or anybody connected with kidnapping and sending people to their deaths) thus preventing them from hurting more people is good enough.
If you want to hurt the people responsible: if you get drafted and resigned to off yourself, might as well get to the front and take out some occupiers instead of dying by hurting the defending army
Fighting for Zelensky’s regime will only encourage him to kidnap and hurt more people, it’s morally wrong to help him in any way. Fighting him and his regime is the thing that might saves lives.
Sounds like it’s worth a try.
If that’s directed to me, then well - thank you for your concern, but fortunately I left the country shortly before the war started, so I will only need to fight for my life if Zelensky’s regime will convince other governments to start deporting people from other countries (thankfully he did not manage to do that at least for now).
That’s not the case for my friends and family most of whom are still in Ukraine. They all mostly hope to not be kidnapped until Zelensky’s regime is gone.
I am not sure, but
Fragging officers (including “recruitment officers”) is in fact the best thing you can do if you are already captured by “recruitment officers” and cannot escape the war. At least you will help other people, whom Zelensky’s regime will be more afraid to kidnap now.
That’s what people do, unfortunately a lot of people have either died that way, or were captured by the “heroes” of the border guard. Zelensky has way more success in defending the western border of his kingdom (against simple folk trying to escape his regime), then the eastern one (against a proper army). I know both people who managed to escape (although through occupied territories, not through forests/mountains/rivers) and those who got caught and sent to the meatgrinder.
That would be the ideal situation, I absolutely agree. I wouldn’t want to be in your situation, believe me. Heck, I know a person who was in exactly your situation and he luckily managed to escape right as everything started.
Drafts are always a problem. Always has been through the history of humanity.
The thing is: Without boots on the ground, the country will stop to exist. And russia will not stop at ukraine. Any ukrainian person capable of walking and holding a gun will likely be drafted for whatever front will open up next.
If zelensky is as evil as you are painting him, he would have done a 16+ draft from day 1. But he didn’t. Instead he’s trying to get the most of what he has and tries to get as much proper supply as he can.
It kind of does. espeically the forceful drafting. But due to the massive population difference it’s not that noticable, especially when you’re cleaning up the remote areas of the country first.
You’re not going to frag any recruitement officers due to the lack of any grenades (I highly assume. maybe you stocked up).
Your first chance will be in training. And there you will likely just hit other draftees that may not be so happy about it.
Any officers there will be higher target value, but unless it’s someone super high ranked, you’re also just hitting draftees that would rather be at home
If you want to hurt the people responsible: if you get drafted and resigned to off yourself, might as well get to the front and take out some occupiers instead of dying by hurting the defending army that doesn’t want to exist.
Sounds like it’s worth a try.
So maybe, just maybe, Ukrainians don’t care about the colors of the flag they are living under? Maybe, just maybe, it’s the west and Zelensky for whom it makes a difference, and who kill innocent people chasing THEIR goals?
Maybe, just maybe, your opinion is different from opinions of people who actually get slaughtered, maybe they don’t actually think that they will be killed by Russia/Putin and they would prefer that to dying for Zelensky’s regime?
Because he needs to create at least some kind of illusion that he is the good guy, doesn’t he?
After reading some headlines saying “Zelensky kidnaps boys (or maybe girls too) aged 16 (why not 14 though, there are already some “people” saying that if needed - 14 year olds will be mobilized as well) are kidnapped and sent to the meatgrinder” probably even democrats/liberals would stop supporting this madness? At least I hope they would, I don’t know if there are ANY red lines here…
That’s awful, why does nobody talk about it? I don’t see it mentioned in the news lately, while Zelensky’s regime kidnappings are very well covered even in the western media nowadays. Whoever does not put this into mass media is doing Russians a favour, because some naive folks like me might start thinking that it’s actually Zelensky’s regime who does it, and people on Russia controlled territories are way safer and have more freedom than those who are on Zelensky controlled territories.
It doesn’t have to be a grenade - “Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing of a soldier, usually a superior, by a fellow soldier.”. Whatever wounds/kills your kidnapper (or anybody connected with kidnapping and sending people to their deaths) thus preventing them from hurting more people is good enough.
Fighting for Zelensky’s regime will only encourage him to kidnap and hurt more people, it’s morally wrong to help him in any way. Fighting him and his regime is the thing that might saves lives.
If that’s directed to me, then well - thank you for your concern, but fortunately I left the country shortly before the war started, so I will only need to fight for my life if Zelensky’s regime will convince other governments to start deporting people from other countries (thankfully he did not manage to do that at least for now).
That’s not the case for my friends and family most of whom are still in Ukraine. They all mostly hope to not be kidnapped until Zelensky’s regime is gone.