Oh wow, great point!, Pug! What a brilliant fucking comment! Except I’m talking about progressives in general, while you’re bitching about a few hundred, “red facists,” on an obscure website.
So your argument is, then, that progressives decided that fascism was preferable to a moderate liberal? As a progressive, I doubt that.
Most of those 12 million were working class folks that wanted to hear a progressive message about how the government was actually gonna do something to help them,
What a convenient and totally unsupported claim.
and everytime I see your account, you’re bitching about a handful of obstinate communists. After seeing you do it so many times, it really just seems like you’re looking for an excuse to punch left.
“Why is PugJesus complaining about people on Lemmy while he’s on Lemmy??? Especially here, under a post about the kind of idiots who blame liberals for everything even as they hand them loss after loss??? I just don’t understand”
Keep mulling over it, maybe you’ll figure it out. Eventually.
No, it’s that centrists decided that losing to facism was preferable to winning with progressivism.
Your argument is that progressives chose to sit out and not vote over voting for a corporate Dem against fascism, because the Dem wasn’t progressive enough for them.
Please, inform me as to how that argument implies something other than “progressives decided that fascism was preferable to a moderate liberal”
As a progressive, I doubt that.
Of course, no one who is threatened by the approach of literal fucking fascism in this country is a TRUE progressive.
Your argument is that progressives chose to sit out and not vote over voting for a corporate Dem against fascism, because the Dem wasn’t progressive enough for them.
No, it’s that it created an insurmountable enthusiasm gap. I thought that was clear because those were the words I used, but I guess not. Democrats thought they could just keep talking about project 2025 and it would be motivating enough for people to go out and vote for a candidate and platform they didn’t care about. As I said, that was a bad fucking bet.
Of course, no one who is threatened by the approach of literal fucking fascism in this country is a TRUE progressive.
No, but someone who exclusively punches left doesn’t strike me as being particularly left.
No, it’s that it created an insurmountable enthusiasm gap.
Yes, you’re saying progressives stayed home because voting for a moderate Dem against fascism wasn’t EXCITING enough for them.
So literally what I accused you of saying, thanks for agreeing with me.
No, but someone who exclusively punches left doesn’t strike me as being particularly left.
I’m sorry, I’ll stop attacking the people who, like you, are making apologia for letting fascism take over one of the most powerful countries in the world because they weren’t ‘enthused’ enough.
I’ll be sure to be properly contrite for shaming you when I’m in line for the death camps.
Yes, you’re saying progressives stayed home because voting for a moderate Dem against fascism wasn’t EXCITING enough for them.
I’m saying that candidates that don’t generate enthusiasm don’t win. For someone who’s constantly pontificating like they’re the only one in the world that understands realpolitik, that seems to be a real blind spot for you.
I’m sorry, I’ll stop attacking the people who, like you, are making apologia for letting fascism take over one of the most powerful countries in the world because they weren’t ‘enthused’ enough.
Buddy, that’s you.You’re the one looking for anyone to blame other than the party that blew $1.6 billion on their worst defeat since 2004.
I’m saying that candidates that don’t generate enthusiasm don’t win.
Yes, you’re saying that, according to you, the loss was caused by progressives not being enthused enough because they weren’t pandered to. Exactly what I said you were saying. You continually reaffirm this and then act like you’re contradicting me, and I can’t tell if you genuinely don’t understand, or if you’re just afraid to confront the fact that your own argument places the blame for fascism on the people you were just trying to defend.
For someone who’s constantly pontificating like they’re the only one in the world that understands realpolitik, that seems to be a real blind spot for you.
How? I’m not the one saying progressives caused this loss.
Buddy, that’s you. You’re the one looking for anyone to blame other than the party that blew $1.6 billion on their worst defeat since 2004.
I blame the Dem party, absolutely. It’s just that the Dem elite being guilty as fuck doesn’t fucking absolve all the fascist cunts who voted for fascism or stood by as fascism swept into power.
Yes, you’re saying that, according to you, the loss was caused by progressives not being enthused enough because they weren’t pandered to.
I don’t know what to tell you, dude. You don’t turn out groups you don’t campaign for. Harris didn’t campaign for progressives and the working class, she didn’t turn out progressives or the working class. Hillary didn’t visit Michigan or Wisconsin, she didn’t win Michigan or Wisconsin. It’s just reality, I’m sorry you don’t like it.
I blame the Dem party, absolutely
Citation needed.
Yes, you’re saying that, according to you, the loss was caused by progressives not being enthused enough because they weren’t pandered to.
I don’t know what to tell you, dude. You don’t turn out groups you don’t campaign for.
So you agree with my characterization of your argument, and you’ve spent the past five comments or so flailing around because… it sounds bad when it’s said by someone else? Fuck’s sake.
I voted for her you chud.
Is that supposed to make your argument less absurd? I assure you, it doesn’t.
So your argument is, then, that progressives decided that fascism was preferable to a moderate liberal? As a progressive, I doubt that.
What a convenient and totally unsupported claim.
“Why is PugJesus complaining about people on Lemmy while he’s on Lemmy??? Especially here, under a post about the kind of idiots who blame liberals for everything even as they hand them loss after loss??? I just don’t understand”
Keep mulling over it, maybe you’ll figure it out. Eventually.
No, it’s that centrists decided that losing to facism was preferable to winning with progressivism.
As a progressive, I doubt that.
Your argument is that progressives chose to sit out and not vote over voting for a corporate Dem against fascism, because the Dem wasn’t progressive enough for them.
Please, inform me as to how that argument implies something other than “progressives decided that fascism was preferable to a moderate liberal”
Of course, no one who is threatened by the approach of literal fucking fascism in this country is a TRUE progressive.
No, it’s that it created an insurmountable enthusiasm gap. I thought that was clear because those were the words I used, but I guess not. Democrats thought they could just keep talking about project 2025 and it would be motivating enough for people to go out and vote for a candidate and platform they didn’t care about. As I said, that was a bad fucking bet.
No, but someone who exclusively punches left doesn’t strike me as being particularly left.
Yes, you’re saying progressives stayed home because voting for a moderate Dem against fascism wasn’t EXCITING enough for them.
So literally what I accused you of saying, thanks for agreeing with me.
I’m sorry, I’ll stop attacking the people who, like you, are making apologia for letting fascism take over one of the most powerful countries in the world because they weren’t ‘enthused’ enough.
I’ll be sure to be properly contrite for shaming you when I’m in line for the death camps.
I’m saying that candidates that don’t generate enthusiasm don’t win. For someone who’s constantly pontificating like they’re the only one in the world that understands realpolitik, that seems to be a real blind spot for you.
Buddy, that’s you. You’re the one looking for anyone to blame other than the party that blew $1.6 billion on their worst defeat since 2004.
Yes, you’re saying that, according to you, the loss was caused by progressives not being enthused enough because they weren’t pandered to. Exactly what I said you were saying. You continually reaffirm this and then act like you’re contradicting me, and I can’t tell if you genuinely don’t understand, or if you’re just afraid to confront the fact that your own argument places the blame for fascism on the people you were just trying to defend.
How? I’m not the one saying progressives caused this loss.
I blame the Dem party, absolutely. It’s just that the Dem elite being guilty as fuck doesn’t fucking absolve all the fascist cunts who voted for fascism or stood by as fascism swept into power.
Wear your brownshirt proudly. You earned it.
I don’t know what to tell you, dude. You don’t turn out groups you don’t campaign for. Harris didn’t campaign for progressives and the working class, she didn’t turn out progressives or the working class. Hillary didn’t visit Michigan or Wisconsin, she didn’t win Michigan or Wisconsin. It’s just reality, I’m sorry you don’t like it.
Citation needed.
I voted for her you chud.
So you agree with my characterization of your argument, and you’ve spent the past five comments or so flailing around because… it sounds bad when it’s said by someone else? Fuck’s sake.
Is that supposed to make your argument less absurd? I assure you, it doesn’t.