Maybe it’s just me, but I never had that much of a problem with reddit mods. The only mods with which I had a problem, were tankie mods who had a problem with me calling them out on their mass murdering authoritarian bullshit
I came here because money hungry corpos fucked over my reddit client if choice and their official app sucks balls.
Reddit was easier because everyone pigeonholed themselves in subs they could exist in with minimum conflict. You wanted to be there. Jumping into All accidentally instead of your subscribed Front Page was often a surprise dumpster fire.
Lemmy is small enough that most participants don’t just stick to their subscribed communities, they go to All because there’s more to see.
Reddit didn’t have entire sets of communities banded together equivalent to an instance operating top to bottom with parallel internal ideologies that fanned out over the rest of the site and commented on everything. /conservative and /the_donald mostly kept to their kind, unlike here where grad and ml comment on things outside of their instance, or .world will find themselves commenting on a post from those communities. So some tankie will delete your comments if you rub the community the wrong way.
Yeah but that one lemmy.ml mod telling someone that they wanted to shoot them and that they hope they die soon (https://hexbear.net/post/3706906/5518427) goes so very much further than merely removing their comments - although they did that as well.:-)
I am not absolving Lemmy.World here of any offenses, but the DEGREE of what is claimed there does not seem remotely close to being equal to me.
I’m not telling lemmy.ml have perfect records, far from that, but I was just saying that LW mods also have their issues. Both things can be true at the same time.
Although in this case I’m not against the mod who was simply doing what the instance admins instructed (the mistake being to have removed comments rather than locking the post in the first place, as she tells the story anyway). But if you meant admins then yes.
Yea same i was on reddit 10+ years never a single bad, on lemmy I’ve already been banned from 2 communities for some reason lol
I’m afraid lemmy is going to turn into massive echo chambers very fast. It’s already happening after the election, becuase people don’t want to think they could possibly be wrong on any issue 🤷♀️
Yeah, I’m also skeptical Lemmy will be that much better, but I do feel a very satisfying freedom from corporatism. Cory Doctorow wrote an interesting article just this week about the fediverse and how corporate walled gardens always turn to shit in the worst ways. At least here I know there isn’t some company trying to squeeze me like a lemon or trick me to hand over my data or whatnot. Where I’m skeptical is instances based on ideology. I want instance admin to feel neutral and uncontroversial. I can’t reduce myself to a member of any one of such instances
If it helps to know, moderator resources here are extremely limited, in part (I’ve heard, so take with a grain of salt from someone who has no direct knowledge or the situation) bc the tools themselves are extremely terrible, especially across instances.
And I have extra sympathy for communities like politics where all sorts of stuff are spewed at the mods, who have to cater to people from all across the world, each one absolutely convinced of the extreme rightness of their own particular niche cause - influenced by religion, culture, laws, etc. and seemingly unwilling to understand how anyone could possibly live differently.
So I get it: if it’s a choice between the instance itself facing legal pressures from the police, I can see why an instance admin would immediately give up any “right to free speech” - which isn’t really a thing online, despite how many people claim that it should be.
The Fediverse allows us to spin up our own instances (kind of a heavy burden though), and most instances allow us to create our own communities - if we would only actually USE this power, then it would offer the freedom that it genuinely promises. e.g., you could personally start your own community, or help grow an existing one by posting or even just commenting inside of it to help make it more welcoming for people. It’s a thought anyway:-).
e.g. instead of always using [email protected], block that and use [email protected]. The latter has grown tremendously since it started, yet still has only a quarter of the subscribers in the former (actually here I’m using monthly active users when viewed specifically from the instance it is located on, as a significantly more precise statistic of how many actually use it as opposed to merely subscribed at some point in the past), but we can make it grow - if we really wanted that to happen.
“Tankies”, i.e. anyone left of center have been banned from reddit for the last decade. Weird that after that capitalism did its thing and made reddit bad …
Maybe it’s just me, but I never had that much of a problem with reddit mods. The only mods with which I had a problem, were tankie mods who had a problem with me calling them out on their mass murdering authoritarian bullshit
I came here because money hungry corpos fucked over my reddit client if choice and their official app sucks balls.
Reddit was easier because everyone pigeonholed themselves in subs they could exist in with minimum conflict. You wanted to be there. Jumping into All accidentally instead of your subscribed Front Page was often a surprise dumpster fire.
Lemmy is small enough that most participants don’t just stick to their subscribed communities, they go to All because there’s more to see.
Reddit didn’t have entire sets of communities banded together equivalent to an instance operating top to bottom with parallel internal ideologies that fanned out over the rest of the site and commented on everything. /conservative and /the_donald mostly kept to their kind, unlike here where grad and ml comment on things outside of their instance, or .world will find themselves commenting on a post from those communities. So some tankie will delete your comments if you rub the community the wrong way.
The latest posts on [email protected] are about LW mods power tripping, not tankies
Yeah but that one lemmy.ml mod telling someone that they wanted to shoot them and that they hope they die soon (https://hexbear.net/post/3706906/5518427) goes so very much further than merely removing their comments - although they did that as well.:-)
I am not absolving Lemmy.World here of any offenses, but the DEGREE of what is claimed there does not seem remotely close to being equal to me.
I’m not telling lemmy.ml have perfect records, far from that, but I was just saying that LW mods also have their issues. Both things can be true at the same time.
Oh yes, true.
Although in this case I’m not against the mod who was simply doing what the instance admins instructed (the mistake being to have removed comments rather than locking the post in the first place, as she tells the story anyway). But if you meant admins then yes.
Yea same i was on reddit 10+ years never a single bad, on lemmy I’ve already been banned from 2 communities for some reason lol
I’m afraid lemmy is going to turn into massive echo chambers very fast. It’s already happening after the election, becuase people don’t want to think they could possibly be wrong on any issue 🤷♀️
Yeah, I’m also skeptical Lemmy will be that much better, but I do feel a very satisfying freedom from corporatism. Cory Doctorow wrote an interesting article just this week about the fediverse and how corporate walled gardens always turn to shit in the worst ways. At least here I know there isn’t some company trying to squeeze me like a lemon or trick me to hand over my data or whatnot. Where I’m skeptical is instances based on ideology. I want instance admin to feel neutral and uncontroversial. I can’t reduce myself to a member of any one of such instances
If it helps to know, moderator resources here are extremely limited, in part (I’ve heard, so take with a grain of salt from someone who has no direct knowledge or the situation) bc the tools themselves are extremely terrible, especially across instances.
And I have extra sympathy for communities like politics where all sorts of stuff are spewed at the mods, who have to cater to people from all across the world, each one absolutely convinced of the extreme rightness of their own particular niche cause - influenced by religion, culture, laws, etc. and seemingly unwilling to understand how anyone could possibly live differently.
So I get it: if it’s a choice between the instance itself facing legal pressures from the police, I can see why an instance admin would immediately give up any “right to free speech” - which isn’t really a thing online, despite how many people claim that it should be.
The Fediverse allows us to spin up our own instances (kind of a heavy burden though), and most instances allow us to create our own communities - if we would only actually USE this power, then it would offer the freedom that it genuinely promises. e.g., you could personally start your own community, or help grow an existing one by posting or even just commenting inside of it to help make it more welcoming for people. It’s a thought anyway:-).
e.g. instead of always using [email protected], block that and use [email protected]. The latter has grown tremendously since it started, yet still has only a quarter of the subscribers in the former (actually here I’m using monthly active users when viewed specifically from the instance it is located on, as a significantly more precise statistic of how many actually use it as opposed to merely subscribed at some point in the past), but we can make it grow - if we really wanted that to happen.
“Tankies”, i.e. anyone left of center have been banned from reddit for the last decade. Weird that after that capitalism did its thing and made reddit bad …