• hubobes
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        Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?

        • theonlytruescotsman
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          …so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?

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              No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.

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                That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.

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                    Ukraine made some mistakes under the Minsk Agreements, like delaying certain implementations and occasional ceasefire breaches, but these were often reactions to continued attacks. The larger issue is Russia’s violations: it broke the Budapest Memorandum by annexing Crimea in March 2014, violating Ukraine’s sovereignty. While the Minsk Agreements came later, Russia also undermined them by arming and supporting separatists in Eastern Ukraine. Blaming Ukraine ignores Russia’s clear role in starting and escalating the conflict.

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            You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.

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          I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.