Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

  • babybus
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    3 days ago

    7 paragraphs of water. Did you want to convey your point or just to write something?

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      The point is that this instance operates in a country with stricter laws and if we wanna celebrate dead CEOs we should leave. I plan on leaving. Sorry the Europeans don’t understand what America is going through right now.

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        3 days ago

        That’s a summary. Thank you.

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      I skimmed it, and it went from something about ToS to moderators rule to something about jury nullification(?). The whole thing probably could have been done with some strategic bullet points.

      Unless the it has changed, the lemmy.world ToS is about as broad and obscure as it gets. I can sum it up though: Admins are gonna do admin things, moderators are gonna do mod things and users are subject to whatever rules get applied to them in the moment.

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      3 days ago

      Imagine being unable to read, and wanting to still take part in a text-based platform. Are you that one user who swipes images in card view all day they had in the stats the other day?

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        3 days ago

        I’m mostly here to look at funny pictures, yes. If you take pride at wasting your time reading every bullcrap posted here, good for you. But this post could be reduced to two sentences. There was no need to waste everyone’s time with this generic PR message.

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          3 days ago

          Great, then skip the post instead of littering the comments? 🤷 I mean there’s no funny pictures in this.

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            3 days ago

            The amount of times I am tempted to write “okay but this isn’t an airport, you don’t need to announce your departure…” is too damn high!:-P

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            So very many people clamoring to speak, yet refusing to listen:-|.