Disclaimer: Fuck the rich and please consider reading 1 paragraph before you go to comments to explain how I am a bootlicker. Thank you ٩(•͈ ꇴ •͈)و ̑̑❀

For context, I generally report all calls to violence, no matter who the “victim” is, whether they are a public figure or an anonymous user. I didn’t even register that the person I was “defending” was rich—I’m just aware that calls to violence are against most instances’ terms of service (due to legal threats). Genuinely sorry seahorse! I wish you just had something in your instance sidebar or even spoke to me instead of jumping to ban and “lib” insults!

Unverifiable information you will have to take my word for (per community rules)

Apologized to seahorse and got:

My own personal curiosities only adjacently related

Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t this a bit of an abuse of federation? This is the same admin that pulled the move with the doxxing of Nick Fuentes. By banning users for reporting content that may violate our local instance rules, seahorse is making our local instances harder to moderate for our admins. (Honestly I respect the commitment to the running a very open and uncensored instance, but until Lemmy has the option to only report to local admins versus local & federated authorities, this may not be the best strategy?)

Anyway, this is pretty interesting. I’m honestly not too pressed about this (mostly I will miss [email protected]) and curious what yall think. :)

  • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
    132·
    3 days ago

    The “honest reason” is that the moderator in question disagrees with OP.

    The moderator believes that the wealthy should be punished corporally for the catastrophic harm they have inflicted upon humanity for generations through their parasitism and believes that it is morally right to champion such punishment.

    OP has demonstrated the position that calling for this punishment is morally wrong.

    This was an impasse.

    The moderator decided that opinions such as OP’s are not welcome there, and therefore chose to remove OP.

    We’re not going to find detached impassive professionalism or even-handedness here, no matter how hard we dig for it. It’s just politically motivated suppression of opposed opinions through and through.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      11·
      2 days ago

      I get that and I agree that that could be the admin’s intent. Admins can have opinions and operate their server based on them. What reflects poorly on this admin is how they handle it immaturely in a hexbearish fashion, when the same opinion can be expressed a lot more clearly.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        beyond the immaturity, what’s much more confusing to me is why there is a need to moralize the report button, both from the admin and the comments here.

        when i click “report” it’s never to try to do censorship or push an agenda or something. it’s genuinely a “hey i found this that either violates your rules or might get you in legal trouble if it happens a lot, address it if you want but in the end it’s totally your call.” i personally think that’s the appropriate use of the feature? there’s a reason the icon is a flag, not a middle finger haha

        but i guess i am learning other people are really into using reports as a “personal grievances” tool or something, and they are projecting that understanding of the tool back on to me.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      103·
      2 days ago

      OP has demonstrated the position that calling for this punishment is morally wrong.

      False. If you reread my post (or read it for the first time, perhaps) you will find three key statements:

      • I generally report all calls to violence, no matter who the “victim” is.
      • I didn’t even register that the person I was “defending” was rich.
      • I have no interest in protecting the rich—just keeping the instances I know and love up and running.

      Depending on an instance’s local government situation, instance admins can be held liable by law for hosting certain content, and therefore many instances have rules against calls to violence. I don’t even agree it’s a morally good or optimal system, it’s just how it is.

      Out of this understanding, along with reporting the much more common slurs, racism, sexism, etc. I occasionally also report calls to violence. This is not out of any political interest; I am just helping admins keep house.

      Anyway, thank you for your suuuuuper good-faith reading of my post, and I trust you’ll do the same for this comment. /s

      • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
        58·
        2 days ago

        You might want to look up the definition of corporal punishment, because you are absolutely opposing corporal punishment when you report a post that advocates violence as punishment.

        Being opposed to corporal punishment by default is not a bad thing.

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          73·
          2 days ago

          goodness :( please read the post. admins. can get. in legal. trouble. for. calls. to. violence.

          the report is just me giving them the heads up that the content exists, nothing more, not me trying to censor others, not some political statement, and certainly not a moral one.

          admins are free to ignore my reports. in fact, i hope they do, and perhaps let me know when and where they are not necessary.

          i have read your post. PLEASE read mine. 😭

          • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
            213·
            2 days ago

            Sorry I couldn’t keep up with what seems like a constantly changing basis for reporting.

          • timestatic@feddit.org
            24·
            2 days ago

            So what you’re saying is you don’t really care if there’s call for violence and are indifferent to people being killed/attacked because of it. All you care about is protecting the instances and its admins legally?

            • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
              91·
              2 days ago

              sure. whatever. not the most accurate description of what im saying but a lot damn closer than other people have been.

              • i don’t characterize it as “protecting” im literally just hilighting a potential issue that can be ignored or addressed.
              • i am not indifferent to any violence and my relationship to violence does not play into my decision to report content.

              i don’t understand why you and others think there is such a moral mesage behind clicking the report button. it’s two clicks and a text field to say “hey, found this, wanted to bring it to your attention but it’s not up to me in the end.”

              • timestatic@feddit.org
                4·
                2 days ago

                Personally when I report things its mostly because of my own moral responsibility to support the removal of certain harmful content. Ofc I also want to see lemmy communities thrive but thats just part of it.

                • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
                  41·
                  2 days ago

                  Interesting! Genuinely surprised to hear these differences from my perspective. :)

                  Obviously moral responsibility does play into it for me too to a degree, for example one of the big ones for me on Lemmy is its issue with sexism so I report A LOT of comments for that. But of course, that always is in reference to the community or instance rules that forbid misogyny and hate speech.

                  There aren’t any my instance doesn’t defederate, but if there were any communities that actively supported misogynistic speech? I would have no reason to want those communities/instances of Lemmy to succeed and I would rather work to get that instanced defederated or that community erased than bother with trying to fix the issue by reporting individual posts to inattentive mods.

                  Thanks for your insight.