Nah, Mantis + Luna or Cloak and Dagger with one prioritizing the other, alternating ults, and 4 damage is basically unstoppable. Maybe self healing wasn’t the correct term, but rather healing that healers can do to other healers, but also Jeff’s self heal specifically needs a change. He is already basically Ant Man by making his hitbox basically a single pixel, there is no reason he should be un-divable because he can just swim and get his own bubbles.

I myself being a Peni main, am consistently dealing and blocking the most amount of damage in a match, but matches with Mantis + pick any other healer in the way I mentioned are unstoppable, regardless of who my other teammates play. They just heal each other too well. And when both healers are unkillable, 4 damages can stay up almost all the time.