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That’s the same kind of thing people say about vinyl records vs CDs, digital video vs film, 48+ vs 24fps.
All I hear with that kind of complaint is: “It’s too good, I’m not used to it. I want what I’m used to, even if it’s worse.”
Vinyl I find is a much more holistic experience than makes listening to music easier for my ADD.
It becomes a process where I can feel the record, read the liner notes, enjoy the album art, and since it’s not easy to just skip a track or change to a different artist I find I’ll actually listen to an entire album instead of just individual songs.
As for cars, I don’t like a lot of modern regulations forced into vehicles. I really like small, simple machines with analog controls that are intuitive to use. Modern cars in general have grown in size that make them less pleasurable to drive. They also are rife with touchscreens and so many systems are so interwoven with software that it becomes a pain in the ass to modify them.
I don’t want something that sings at me if I put a bag on the back seat but don’t fasten a seat belt. I don’t want something that alerts me that I’m speeding. I don’t want an infotainment screen that controls my AC which makes it hard to upgrade my stereo. I don’t want my car to have a cellular antenna. I don’t want “software updates” that change how my car runs. I don’t want an entire system locked behind DRM.
I want a car that looks good, not like current copy and pasted of each other’s makes. CR-V? Rav-4? Rogue? They all look like similar piles of plastic.
Cars are something I actively enjoy fixing and working on. They are a hobby and a love. Modern vehicles are turning into iPhones where everything is decided and controlled by the manufacturer.
You can also do all that album stuff with a CD album. That’s what we all did back in the 90s - 2000s. Plus the CDs are a lot more durable than LPs. I still buy music on CD as my first preference but most new music isn’t published that way anymore.
Those are great reasons to like vinyl records. They have nothing to do with audio quality.
As far as preferring simple cars, EVs can be just as simple as you want. Look at the Carice TC2. Which is quite cheep for a hand built car.
And all the things you don’t like, are in all the new ICE vehicles also. The power-train doesn’t matter to any of that.
The sound is different. Or I should say, it is supposed to be. Because of the limitations on vinyl it needs to be mastered differently. Most modern releases don’t necessarily take this extra step in the production so vinyl may sound worse than a digital release.
And yea. It just mostly means that I typically buy 20 year old used vehicles and there aren’t EVs from back then. Though wrenching on an EV is different than on a ICE.
If they had an EV that met my criteria, I wouldn’t mind buying one. But I don’t think I’d replace my ICE cars for it. It would be in addition, though probably get driven more regularly than the ICE cars especially for taking the kid to school.
All that said, we both work from home and the most we drive is usually to school or a nearby shop. We’d get by with a 20 mile range car.
I keep the 01 MR2 Spyder because I love having a convertible and my 03 WRX which I’ve lifted and drives 95% of the time just when it snows and I need the AWD. It probably uses only a tank or two of gas for an entire year. Both of those are used so infrequently that I had to buy and keep them on battery tenders or the battery would be dead between when I take them out.
Our main car is my girlfriend’s hybrid accord. We fill the tank every other month, so cost of operating it is around $20 a month. I spend way, way more in insurance than anything else to drive so little. Because the cost to operate and maintain it is so low, it’s not worth the expense to buy a new EV and drop the cash on upgrading my electrical service, replacing my very old panel with pushmatic breakers, and installing a new circuit (or my goal being a sub panel) in the garage.
Except all the things you mention are about sensory fidelity and you can make an argument for either. The only “fact” involved in CDs vs vinyl is that the latter is less convenient. The audio warmth being more pleasant to someone’s ears is not something you can argue with, it just is for them.
That’s exactly my point.
People like the noise and feel of an engine, even if it’s objectively worse at doing the primary thing it’s supposed to do.
All the things I mentioned have the exact same issue. They have more detail and more accurate reproduction. Which are objectively the point of their medium. But people want less detail and accuracy, because they “like it.”
I’m not judging people who prefer vinyl, and other objectively worse things.
I’m absolutely judging people for calling them better, in an attempt to justify why they like them.
It’s not. The benefits are all hypothetical. In practical demonstrations, records have dramatically less dynamic range and more distortion. It’s not even a contest.
CDs have a digital sampling rate of 44.1 KHz. Vinyl is a continuous waveform as an analog medium, but if you were to digitize it, the equivalent sampling rate would be at 96 KHz or higher.
Yeah, but CDs don’t have static, aren’t affected by dust and there’s no hiss. In ideal conditions, vinyl is best, but I don’t live in a vacuum chamber.
Back in the day my parents had a high quality turntable and sound system from a very well respected manufacturer, and we had strict rules on how you look after vinyl. The first generation CD player blew it away for sound fidelity.
That’s the same kind of thing people say about vinyl records vs CDs, digital video vs film, 48+ vs 24fps.
All I hear with that kind of complaint is: “It’s too good, I’m not used to it. I want what I’m used to, even if it’s worse.”
Vinyl I find is a much more holistic experience than makes listening to music easier for my ADD.
It becomes a process where I can feel the record, read the liner notes, enjoy the album art, and since it’s not easy to just skip a track or change to a different artist I find I’ll actually listen to an entire album instead of just individual songs.
As for cars, I don’t like a lot of modern regulations forced into vehicles. I really like small, simple machines with analog controls that are intuitive to use. Modern cars in general have grown in size that make them less pleasurable to drive. They also are rife with touchscreens and so many systems are so interwoven with software that it becomes a pain in the ass to modify them.
I don’t want something that sings at me if I put a bag on the back seat but don’t fasten a seat belt. I don’t want something that alerts me that I’m speeding. I don’t want an infotainment screen that controls my AC which makes it hard to upgrade my stereo. I don’t want my car to have a cellular antenna. I don’t want “software updates” that change how my car runs. I don’t want an entire system locked behind DRM.
I want a car that looks good, not like current copy and pasted of each other’s makes. CR-V? Rav-4? Rogue? They all look like similar piles of plastic.
Cars are something I actively enjoy fixing and working on. They are a hobby and a love. Modern vehicles are turning into iPhones where everything is decided and controlled by the manufacturer.
None of those things is forced by regulation.
You can also do all that album stuff with a CD album. That’s what we all did back in the 90s - 2000s. Plus the CDs are a lot more durable than LPs. I still buy music on CD as my first preference but most new music isn’t published that way anymore.
Those are great reasons to like vinyl records. They have nothing to do with audio quality.
As far as preferring simple cars, EVs can be just as simple as you want. Look at the Carice TC2. Which is quite cheep for a hand built car.
And all the things you don’t like, are in all the new ICE vehicles also. The power-train doesn’t matter to any of that.
The sound is different. Or I should say, it is supposed to be. Because of the limitations on vinyl it needs to be mastered differently. Most modern releases don’t necessarily take this extra step in the production so vinyl may sound worse than a digital release.
And yea. It just mostly means that I typically buy 20 year old used vehicles and there aren’t EVs from back then. Though wrenching on an EV is different than on a ICE.
If they had an EV that met my criteria, I wouldn’t mind buying one. But I don’t think I’d replace my ICE cars for it. It would be in addition, though probably get driven more regularly than the ICE cars especially for taking the kid to school.
All that said, we both work from home and the most we drive is usually to school or a nearby shop. We’d get by with a 20 mile range car.
I keep the 01 MR2 Spyder because I love having a convertible and my 03 WRX which I’ve lifted and drives 95% of the time just when it snows and I need the AWD. It probably uses only a tank or two of gas for an entire year. Both of those are used so infrequently that I had to buy and keep them on battery tenders or the battery would be dead between when I take them out.
Our main car is my girlfriend’s hybrid accord. We fill the tank every other month, so cost of operating it is around $20 a month. I spend way, way more in insurance than anything else to drive so little. Because the cost to operate and maintain it is so low, it’s not worth the expense to buy a new EV and drop the cash on upgrading my electrical service, replacing my very old panel with pushmatic breakers, and installing a new circuit (or my goal being a sub panel) in the garage.
Except all the things you mention are about sensory fidelity and you can make an argument for either. The only “fact” involved in CDs vs vinyl is that the latter is less convenient. The audio warmth being more pleasant to someone’s ears is not something you can argue with, it just is for them.
That’s exactly my point.
People like the noise and feel of an engine, even if it’s objectively worse at doing the primary thing it’s supposed to do.
All the things I mentioned have the exact same issue. They have more detail and more accurate reproduction. Which are objectively the point of their medium. But people want less detail and accuracy, because they “like it.”
Okay. My apologies. Rather than stating that as a fact, I thought you were judging it. My mistake.
I’m not judging people who prefer vinyl, and other objectively worse things.
I’m absolutely judging people for calling them better, in an attempt to justify why they like them.
I was right then. as you were
Vinyl is actually higher fidelity than CDs though. That’s not subjective, it’s scientifically verifiable.
It’s not. The benefits are all hypothetical. In practical demonstrations, records have dramatically less dynamic range and more distortion. It’s not even a contest.
CDs have a digital sampling rate of 44.1 KHz. Vinyl is a continuous waveform as an analog medium, but if you were to digitize it, the equivalent sampling rate would be at 96 KHz or higher.
Yeah, but CDs don’t have static, aren’t affected by dust and there’s no hiss. In ideal conditions, vinyl is best, but I don’t live in a vacuum chamber.
Back in the day my parents had a high quality turntable and sound system from a very well respected manufacturer, and we had strict rules on how you look after vinyl. The first generation CD player blew it away for sound fidelity.
All you have to do is clean the record before playing it each time. It takes 20 seconds, and I enjoy the ritual.
Yes that’s the hypothesis.
But in practice the distortion eliminates reliable reproduction at those frequencies, which humans can’t hear anyway.