• EABOD25@lemm.ee
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    4 days ago

    So someone who works at a grocery store is paid to help you load your groceries in the car, but you don’t tip them. Does that mean they’re allowed to take whatever groceries they already loaded back into the store?

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      No, because that’s not what tips are for? But if you don’t pay for the groceries, then yeah, they should be allowed to not give you the groceries, because that’s how buying things works

      But if you specifically agree to pay someone a certain amount of money to load your groceries in advance, then refuse to pay them, it’s totally valid for them to not load your groceries, because you didn’t pay for the service you bought

      Jesus Christ on a bike

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        So you’re comparing things that have been paid for to things that haven’t been paid for?

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          You have neither paid to load your groceries, nor access to your files.

          Are you a sovereign citizen by any chance?

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            Are you trying to create a narrative because you have no other way to logically argue with me by chance? You see how this works?

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          This is why metaphors don’t work. Files are not groceries, arguments that apply to one don’t always apply to the other.

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          If you’re asking whether the rules for services you’ve paid for are different to the rules for services you haven’t paid for then yes, absolutely.

          If someone is providing a service at no cost, they have no obligation to continue that service, because you have not provided them anything in exchange for anything.

          “I want” is not a valid legal argument for having a right to something.

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            So then when you buy a product, you’re not allowed to expect product service? And open cloud shouldn’t be allowed to be expect when you purchase a product? What’s the issue with cloud sourcing being involved in product purchase? When you buy a new computer, you’re also paying for an OS. What’s the problem in expecting a full use of their services when you purchase a PC?

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              The fact that all of those services have costs - so what you’re effectively saying is that the companies should pay for these things for you whenever you demand it

              If they promised you X service for a certain period of time when they purchased something, then you have a right to that service for that period of time. But if they didn’t do that, it just happens that the same company sells that service as a separate product to what you bought, then of course you don’t have a right to it.

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                Let’s talk about Microsoft specifically. They have the most notable OS in world, a gaming console, word, doc, and they have stock in Google. You telling me they can’t afford free cloud storage?

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                  Okay, I too could afford to pay for your OneDrive subscription, but I’m not going to because - frankly - I don’t care about your cloud storage needs.

                  The fact they’re technically capable of providing you something for free has nothing to do with whether they are legally or morally obligated to do so.

                  You’re not the centre of the universe, sorry.

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                    It’s not free. They’re also completely capable of including it in a package or bundle. I don’t understand what’s difficult about that way of thinking. You buy a computer which has the operating system so you’re paying for the hardware and software. So why not provide cloud storage included in that? Why am I the asshole with that way of thinking?