🏴 hamid the villain [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.org to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months agoMy treats are not propaganda!vegantheoryclub.orgimagemessage-square199fedilinkarrow-up1821arrow-down146cross-posted to: [email protected]
arrow-up1775arrow-down1imageMy treats are not propaganda!vegantheoryclub.org🏴 hamid the villain [he/him] 🏴@vegantheoryclub.org to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 months agomessage-square199fedilinkcross-posted to: [email protected]
minus-squaredavel [he/him]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up10arrow-down1·edit-22 months agoIn some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.
minus-squareJohnDClaylinkfedilinkarrow-up3arrow-down4·2 months agoWould all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.
minus-squaredavel [he/him]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6·2 months agoRhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.
minus-squareJohnDClaylinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down1·2 months agoSo would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?
minus-squareNSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3·2 months agoit’s not useless if it describes something.
minus-squareJohnDClaylinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down1·2 months agoIt’s describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we’re having right now would be propaganda.
minus-squarePolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up2·2 months agoYou’re trying to influence someone’s understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.
minus-squareJohnDClaylinkfedilinkarrow-up1·2 months agoAnd you’re communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it’s to political ends?
minus-squareNSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·2 months agoturns out, everything is political, so, yes, it’s all propaganda.
minus-squareJohnDClaylinkfedilinkarrow-up1·2 months agoSo I think that definition is useless, since there’s nothing that isn’t propaganda.
In some languages “advertising” and “propaganda” are the same word, and not for nothing. Bernays worked in both advertising and politics. It’s the same set of tools whether its to sell cigarettes or war.
Would all rhetoric (persuading people) be propaganda? I think that makes the word useless.
Rhetorical exchange between two people is one thing, mass persuasion is quite another, though they are not entirely unrelated.
So would any speech to a bunch of people be propaganda? What makes something propaganda?
it’s not useless if it describes something.
It’s describing all communication, good and bad. This conversation we’re having right now would be propaganda.
You’re trying to influence someone’s understanding of the term propganda, which makes it propganda.
And you’re communicating, which makes your comment propaganda. Or is it only propaganda when it’s to political ends?
turns out, everything is political, so, yes, it’s all propaganda.
So I think that definition is useless, since there’s nothing that isn’t propaganda.
have you read Foucault?