• zeezee@slrpnk.net
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    24 hours ago

    So your argument is “people will break the rules so we shouldn’t have any rules because it doesn’t matter”?

    This is the classic nazi bar argument - which has been proven time and time again that “free speech absolutism” consistently leads to spaces becoming hostile to marginalized groups

    I see you have your heart in the right place but by insisting on everyone having equal rights to say anything - you are inherently favoring the oppressor over the oppressed.

    I don’t think we’ll come to an agreement so I’ll stop replying as this feels futile to argue over.

    EDIT: Just FYI this is what you’re defending in this instance

    • sugar_in_your_tea
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      23 hours ago

      “free speech absolutism” consistently leads to spaces becoming hostile to marginalized groups

      It’s not the free speech that causes it, it’s that “free speech” is being used as a weapon to tolerate intolerance. You can tolerate Nazi insignias in a bar w/o tolerating Nazis, you throw people out who are intolerant, and let those remain who are respectful. In fact, I would love to go to a WW2-themed bar with a mix of historical symbols and whatnot from all sides of the war (Nazis, Japanese Imperialists, Allies, etc) where nobody tolerates actual Nazis.

      I want a space where I can discuss things that are uncomfortable without fear of getting banned. That’s what I’m after when I push for free speech.