• manicdave@feddit.uk
    20·
    1 hour ago

    I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you’d say something stupid to expose someone’s cognitive dissonance.

    Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.

  • adam_y@lemmy.worldEnglish
    431·
    7 hours ago

    I think the default comment, even here, is “I disagree”.

    Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.

  • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip
    1301·
    9 hours ago

    Except it’s not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can’t help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.

    • mindbleach
      2·
      3 hours ago

      And don’t you dare say “fuck off, troll.” You better treat that dishonest asshole in good faith, or else!

    • lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.todayEnglish
      20·
      6 hours ago

      That’s true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them “shove it in your face until you can’t help it”.

        • lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.todayEnglish
          1·
          10 minutes ago

          Sort of true, but the algorithm that Reddit-like platforms use is transparent and simple (it’s just based on likes and dislikes, and I think you can even look up the source for the sorting modes) and hence doesn’t directly try to feed you content that’d enrage you. I can just not read the posts about Musk and Trump, since I find most takes on the former bad and don’t care much about the latter. Meanwhile, on platforms like Twitter or Tiktok you are directly fed content out of some recommendation ML model trained on user engagement.

          (There’s also subtler differences. For example, on Reddit/Lemmy/etc, if you hate a post you can dislike it, which will generally make it show up less to people. But on, say, Tumblr, not only are there no dislikes, but if you are really hate a post you can only respond to it by reposting it, therefore spreading it further among your followers! That’s an absolutely devious platform-design move that could have been invented directly by Satan himself.)

    • Malta Soron@sopuli.xyz
      24·
      8 hours ago

      Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.

      • Gutek8134@lemmy.world
        12·
        8 hours ago

        Imagine that there’s a paving slab that sticks out right outside of your house, often causing you to fall. If that’s the 50th time you fall over due to this thing, you probably will curse at it, no matter how emotionally mature you are.

        Now exchange falling over to being trolled.

  • quixotic120@lemmy.worldEnglish
    131·
    7 hours ago

    The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated

  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
    224·
    9 hours ago

    Kinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.

    Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.

    • mindbleach
      1·
      58 minutes ago

      Some of the satire posted here sucks. isGlitch whiffs nine out of ten ideas. Hard Drive is just limp. The Hard Times fumbles half its weirdly specific music gags, and then somehow utterly nails politics.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 hours ago

      I find it’s less common to find insistent users who refuse to read provided sources, or provide sources of their own, on Lemmy than on Facebook. It happens, but far less frequently than when I last used Facebook in 2015. Although my perspective may have been unique to my curated feed.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        2·
        3 hours ago

        I think the smaller communities helps with giving eachother the benefit of the doubt. Like if I’m disagreeing with someone from my own insurance, or another small one I know is generally cool, I’ll try much harder to figure out what their point is.

      • explodicleEnglish
        2·
        4 hours ago

        The flip side of that is people who think sources can support an illogical argument. Sources: think tank think tank WaPo.

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
    151·
    9 hours ago

    I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It’s resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it’s their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don’t understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.

    It’s funny how I reply seriously on this post. It’s like I’m inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.

    • pelespirit
      1·
      22 minutes ago

      There was a study done (can’t find it anymore) that said to respond once to clarify and then walk away.

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
      41·
      5 hours ago

      Lol yeah that’s what I was thinking. This is one of those posts where op thinks no one will notice they are trying to prove a point.

  • Phen@lemmy.eco.br
    61·
    9 hours ago

    Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we’re seeing is just the continuation of that.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
      5·
      5 hours ago

      This is a good point.

      I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.