A site which seeks to signal-boost neo-Nazism – an ideology that fundamentally hurts society’s most vulnerable people as fuel for power consolidation – is thoroughly antithetical to veganism and to its mission to exclude all forms of cruelty to animals – which humans are – for any purpose. Thus, links to and screenshots of this site will not be platformed on /c/vegan. I keep a personal rule that enforcing rules ex post facto is wrong except in extreme circumstances where a major oversight has allowed something clearly heinous or a loophole has been deliberately exploited, and thus I’m putting this here now. I have not brought this up with the other moderators, but this seems uncontroversial, especially among people who seek to give a voice to the voiceless. This goes for any other site where neo-Nazism and its component hateful ideolgoies such as racism and homophobia are deliberately, obviously, and systematically normalized.
Edit: A user asked about screenshots, and having thought a lot on it just to consider other viewpoints, I’m resolute that sharing screenshots causes the exact same problems that sharing links does. Thus, this post is now about links and screenshots.
Good decision! I hope more comms make the same one.
Holy crap, we have found common ground
Had a strong hunch you’d be onboard, veganpizza. lol
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I agree with this change! Thank you Thetechnician!
Hey Aqua, no problem! I’m sorry I didn’t DM you; I didn’t know at the time that you were a moderator. I knew veganpizza and jerkface would approve of this (I’m like 99.99% sure), but I would’ve sent you a message asking your thoughts otherwise since I knew almost nothing about you.
I have not brought this up with the other moderators, but this seems uncontroversial, especially among people who seek to give a voice to the voiceless.
I agree this is the right policy to establish and a pretty uncontroversial take, especially in a vegan community on Lemmy.
That said, as someone with a tiny bit of experience in community building, I’d generally recommend at least a cursory heads up for the people who have to enforce the new rule - let them be a part of the process!
Cheers on taking a stand against hate!
Don’t get me wrong, the other moderators don’t have to take moderative action against this if they don’t see it as worth their time to enforce; I’ll be around for that. If it had been anything even somewhat more controversial, I would’ve DM’d them collectively, and I mentioned this hadn’t been run by the other mods in case this was an idea they wanted to scrap.
What I do know of the other moderators told me they’d be enthused about the idea: gredo and iGxC aren’t around anymore to my knowledge; veganpizza who’s been around longer than I have posted a video of Musk sieg heiling 10 hours ago; jerkface and I aren’t on good speaking terms after the incident with Beaver some months ago if you remember that, but one thing I’m entirely certain of is that they’re willing to take even drastic actions to speak truth to power; and Aqua I definitely should’ve DM’d since they and I don’t actually know each other yet. That last one is just plainly a fuck-up on my part since I didn’t realize there was a new moderator (moderation tools are very poor, including seemingly no proper notification of a new mod being added). Sorry, @[email protected].
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I fully agree that this site should not be linked to, it should not have our traffic and not make any money off of us. However: are screenshots accepted for notable/newsworthy content?
I was giving this some thought before you asked, which is why the post just specifies links. On Wikipedia, we have this understanding with deprecated sources like the Daily Mail that anything worthy of inclusion in an article will reasonably be covered in other actually reliable sources. I think basically any notable or newsworthy information about veganism can be found off of the Nazi platform. In the rare event it can’t, so be it; letting a neo-Nazi propaganda hub have a stranglehold on breaking news only perpetuates this problem, and it 1) advertises users to go there and 2) sends a message to users posting breaking news to Twitter/X that what they post there will still get signal-boosted off-site.
Thus, I’d say “no”.
Thanks for clarifying!
Thanks for asking! I was waffling back and forth for a while about whether that was an “extra” step or if it’s functionally the same action as removing links, and I’m confident now that it’s the exact same ethical issues at play with no meaningful distinction in terms of the overall harm.
Wow that is really solid reasoning, you can definitely tell you’ve been thinking on this.
As a vegan, I approve
