What point would that be exactly? That “He’s a fascist and everyone knows it”?
There is quite literally nothing I could say to any of you that would make you realize how far up your own ass tour noggin is.
If anything the real idiot in this situation is me for bothering to try talking to people who were never going to change their thinking in a million years anyway.
Enjoy being angry and never winning an election again in your lives. Just keeeeeep pushing anyone away that isn’t perfect like you. The middle and right are really enjoying all the new members you are giving them.
If you keep it up long enough maybe we can get a third party rolling for those of us who think that the left and the right both need to chill the fuck out in several major ways.
Genuine question, what would it actually take for you to concede that Elon Musk is a fascist? He’s done everything short of literally stating aloud “I am a fascist.” They used to maintain plausible deniability, and devoid of context Elon’s salute might still have it, but in light of everything he says and does I would say that deniability is very implausible at this point.
Can you give me some examples of his fascist behaviors? He’s done a lot of shit I don’t like but mostly I just find him to be a conniving little shit. He’s a hypocrite. He’s a liar. Hes pathetic.
Unbanning Neo-Nazis after buying Twitter under the guise of free speech and responding to the things they say with things like “I agree with this!” or “You’re exactly right!”
Increasing censorship of left-wing speech while reducing or eliminating censorship of right-wing speech on his platform.
Promoting “white genocide” and “great replacement” conspiracy theories.
There’s also the matter of his family background as slave-owning emerald mine tycoons in apartheid South Africa. His father, who is openly fascist, has stated publicly that he’s proud that his son is “finally embracing his heritage.”
Most damning of all is his cozying up to Trump, who ran on a platform of scapegoating minorities, allying government with the ultra rich, authoritarian concentration of power, hyper-nationalism, and imperialist expansionism.
People use the term Nazi as shorthand for fascist, but it is only one flavor of fascism. Fascism inevitably takes on a slightly different character and aesthetic in different places and times, but the parallels are undeniable.
Do you mean the literal definition of a Nazi which is a person who is a member of the far-right national Socialist German Workers’ Party?
Do you mean the sorta slang definition where someone is so strict about something that they will only allow it to be done their way an no ther other way (think grammar Nazi)?
Because last time I checked Elon is not a member of the far-right national socialist German workers party.
And whether or not hes the slang type of Nazi seems like it’s probably not what you’re talking about, but I’m guessing you could make that argument based on him instantly banning people he didn’t like off Twitter.
Nazis are a very specific thing. The term you and everyone else should be using is probably fascist. And to be fair many are calling him both.
Remember all Nazis are Fascists, but not all Fascists are Nazis.
I don’t at all agree with your defense or lack of acknowledgement that his behavior is mirrors that of actual 1930s/40s Nazis.
I will say the distinction you made is accurate, it would be more accurate if we called him a fascist. Well at least partially, because you don’t have to do a Nazi salute to be a racist, but you do if you’re a Nazi.
But you noticed how you used grammar Nazi down there? You just established that people have taken the term that used to apply only to the actual 130s/40s Nazis, but has since taken on new meaning.
The same argument can be made about hook and loop fasteners, so far Velcro was the most famous for it. It doesn’t mean that I’m wrong when I call off brand hook and loop fasteners ‘velcro’. That’s just what everyone knows it as, which gives the words their meaning, not the other way around.
Enough of the world population has used the term Nazi in the exact context that you seem to despise, and that’s enough for me and likely us.
What point would that be exactly? That “He’s a fascist and everyone knows it”?
There is quite literally nothing I could say to any of you that would make you realize how far up your own ass tour noggin is.
If anything the real idiot in this situation is me for bothering to try talking to people who were never going to change their thinking in a million years anyway.
Enjoy being angry and never winning an election again in your lives. Just keeeeeep pushing anyone away that isn’t perfect like you. The middle and right are really enjoying all the new members you are giving them.
If you keep it up long enough maybe we can get a third party rolling for those of us who think that the left and the right both need to chill the fuck out in several major ways.
Genuine question, what would it actually take for you to concede that Elon Musk is a fascist? He’s done everything short of literally stating aloud “I am a fascist.” They used to maintain plausible deniability, and devoid of context Elon’s salute might still have it, but in light of everything he says and does I would say that deniability is very implausible at this point.
Can you give me some examples of his fascist behaviors? He’s done a lot of shit I don’t like but mostly I just find him to be a conniving little shit. He’s a hypocrite. He’s a liar. Hes pathetic.
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Unbanning Neo-Nazis after buying Twitter under the guise of free speech and responding to the things they say with things like “I agree with this!” or “You’re exactly right!”
Increasing censorship of left-wing speech while reducing or eliminating censorship of right-wing speech on his platform.
Promoting “white genocide” and “great replacement” conspiracy theories.
There’s also the matter of his family background as slave-owning emerald mine tycoons in apartheid South Africa. His father, who is openly fascist, has stated publicly that he’s proud that his son is “finally embracing his heritage.”
Most damning of all is his cozying up to Trump, who ran on a platform of scapegoating minorities, allying government with the ultra rich, authoritarian concentration of power, hyper-nationalism, and imperialist expansionism.
People use the term Nazi as shorthand for fascist, but it is only one flavor of fascism. Fascism inevitably takes on a slightly different character and aesthetic in different places and times, but the parallels are undeniable.
Is it just that you don’t understand what a Nazi is?
Do you mean the literal definition of a Nazi which is a person who is a member of the far-right national Socialist German Workers’ Party?
Do you mean the sorta slang definition where someone is so strict about something that they will only allow it to be done their way an no ther other way (think grammar Nazi)?
Because last time I checked Elon is not a member of the far-right national socialist German workers party.
And whether or not hes the slang type of Nazi seems like it’s probably not what you’re talking about, but I’m guessing you could make that argument based on him instantly banning people he didn’t like off Twitter.
Nazis are a very specific thing. The term you and everyone else should be using is probably fascist. And to be fair many are calling him both.
Remember all Nazis are Fascists, but not all Fascists are Nazis.
I don’t at all agree with your defense or lack of acknowledgement that his behavior is mirrors that of actual 1930s/40s Nazis.
I will say the distinction you made is accurate, it would be more accurate if we called him a fascist. Well at least partially, because you don’t have to do a Nazi salute to be a racist, but you do if you’re a Nazi.
But you noticed how you used grammar Nazi down there? You just established that people have taken the term that used to apply only to the actual 130s/40s Nazis, but has since taken on new meaning.
The same argument can be made about hook and loop fasteners, so far Velcro was the most famous for it. It doesn’t mean that I’m wrong when I call off brand hook and loop fasteners ‘velcro’. That’s just what everyone knows it as, which gives the words their meaning, not the other way around.
Enough of the world population has used the term Nazi in the exact context that you seem to despise, and that’s enough for me and likely us.