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        If she would’ve not made anything different, how was this then a reason to vote orange?

        I mean Mister T makes a lot things worse than, I suppose, Kamala would have, especially within USA (makes live harder for minorities, gives too much power to cooperations, doesn’t do what he says / says anything he believes wants to be heard no matter the facts, tear families appart, etc.)

        Or have I understood something wrong?

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          It’s a reason to sit out the election, which is moreso what happened. Democrats lost about 11mil voters, Republicans lost 3mil. Numbers might be off given some fraction has been counted. General concept is solid.

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            I see the result as more “left” people of them who know the USA election are awful, are to dumb to see that they make it even worse by not voting (since in a 2 party setup not voting = voting for the other)

            I see a bigger chance in fixing democracy without violence with dems in power compared to with rebs in power.

            But this is just a view from an outsider.

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              since in a 2 party setup not voting = voting for the other

              Sick, so my non-vote for Trump was a vote for Kamala. And my non-vote for Kamala was a vote for Trump!

              Looks like I’m so cool I’m doing election fraud! (I voted PSL fwiw).

              Liberals are so funny thinking the system isn’t geared fully towards capital interest and there’s a chance you can bend it to work at the behest of workers is so funny. You’re adorable.

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                PSL doesn’t matter, if nobody hears from than during election. If you are voting PSL, this rule applies as well, in the current political landscape of America. You vote had no potential in meaning anything in 2024.

                I think, it would be great if PSL president could have given their received votes to one of the other parties after seeing defeat, or that presidents have to win the absolute majority of voters, not just majority.

                Than your vote would not have been voided.

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                  Yep, but I didn’t vote for either genocidal corporate party. Harm reduction arguments are pretty valid but the line has to be somewhere. If that offends you, take it up with the Democrats for running a dogshit campaign.

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                    I am only talking about the effects of your ballot ultimately helped trump to win, since he had now one vote less to win against.

                    Of course, I understand, that you would have to vote against your interests, if you voted blue.

                    Next time, make sure that more people in America know the third-parties, write to people, talk to people, organise rallys, make ads, etc.

                    Then your ballot is not worth nothing if you vote third-party, because then other know that their vote is joined with others and gains momentum.

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        I think that line of thinking either heavy cope or just bad faith politics circl jerk,

        if you vote for my guy, the genocide would be less bad 🤡

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          I said they would be the same on Israel/Palestine (or mostly indistinguishable anyway), not claiming one would be better or worse there.

          You won’t win people over by blaming voters sitting this one out for not co-signing a geonicide.

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      Kamala was going to do so much for Palestine, I’m glad Americans were willing to trade Palestinian lives to save themselves at home from Trump.

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        What exactly was she going to do? The only campaign promise I heard from her was that she was already “tirelessly working for a ceasefire”, which they had been doing for over a year.

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          And saying that she wouldn’t restrict arms to Israel.

          And saying we need to have the most lethal military multiple times.

          All the while constantly campaigning so I don’t know where all this ‘tireless work’ was.