And then realize that if the point of leftist views is to liberate us from right-wing subjugation, and what the authoritarian left wants to do is still subjugate most of us, then maybe they’re not our allies at all, actually. They’re just fascism wearing a different, more ridiculous, hat
so what’s the nuance here? While striving for communistic utopia on paper, Stalin’s regime is quite fascistic from my perspective.
I don’t like to do that, but here’s quote from wikipedia:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Stalin’s regime does not correspond to the definition of fascism only in terms of how nationalistic it was, since the USSR was quite multinational, and had an objective to give prosperity to everyone regardless of one’s nation, although a number of actions were performed in order to preserve cultural and linguistic uniformity. Supression of Ukrainian poetry (see “Executed Renaissance”), linguistic bans, deportation of Crimean Tatars - those are the examples that i know of, but there were more in other regions.
Fascism is a broad term, and sometimes it’s used to refer to literally any authoritarian regime. While i don’t quite agree, and think that we should call it fascism only if it’s made in Emilia-Romagna region of Italy circa first half of XX century, otherwise it’s just a sparkling totalitarism, most people find the modern definition quite handy, and being that pedantic equals to being buzzkill anyways. In other words, i think it’s ok to call Stalin a fascist if you’re not a history geek (in the latter case i kinda feel your pain tho).
How is purging minorities and forcefully relocating them in order to kill some of them and assimilate the rest a far right policy and not a fascist policy?
No he was far left and he utilized policies based on right wing thinkers if your claim is accurate.
There’s no such thing as left wing fascism. Fascism is capitalistic in theory and authoritarian there’s nothing about it that would make it a left wing ideology.
Tbh, I came into this discussion to show how right wing and left wing do not have a useful definition to discuss real world policies. I don’t think that classifying ideologies as left or right wing matters to the people suffering under them.
“Pringles Man” initially had no name, only referred to as “Mr. P”. Now, he is called Julius Pringles, after a 2006 Wikipedia hoax, eventually being “made canon” by Kellogg in 2013.
And then realize that if the point of leftist views is to liberate us from right-wing subjugation, and what the authoritarian left wants to do is still subjugate most of us, then maybe they’re not our allies at all, actually. They’re just fascism wearing a different, more ridiculous, hat
Fascism is inherently right wing. There are no left versions of fascism.
exactly
What if I told you that Stalin actively pursued several fascist policies?
What if I told you those were authoritarian and not fascist inherently and youre simply too dense to understand the nuance here…
so what’s the nuance here? While striving for communistic utopia on paper, Stalin’s regime is quite fascistic from my perspective.
I don’t like to do that, but here’s quote from wikipedia:
Stalin’s regime does not correspond to the definition of fascism only in terms of how nationalistic it was, since the USSR was quite multinational, and had an objective to give prosperity to everyone regardless of one’s nation, although a number of actions were performed in order to preserve cultural and linguistic uniformity. Supression of Ukrainian poetry (see “Executed Renaissance”), linguistic bans, deportation of Crimean Tatars - those are the examples that i know of, but there were more in other regions.
Fascism is a broad term, and sometimes it’s used to refer to literally any authoritarian regime. While i don’t quite agree, and think that we should call it fascism only if it’s made in Emilia-Romagna region of Italy circa first half of XX century, otherwise it’s just a sparkling totalitarism, most people find the modern definition quite handy, and being that pedantic equals to being buzzkill anyways. In other words, i think it’s ok to call Stalin a fascist if you’re not a history geek (in the latter case i kinda feel your pain tho).
That would meanStalin pursued some right wing policies. Fascism is far right.
How is purging minorities and forcefully relocating them in order to kill some of them and assimilate the rest a far right policy and not a fascist policy?
Fascism is by definition a far right ideology.
So, Stalin was both far left and far right at the same time?
No he was far left and he utilized policies based on right wing thinkers if your claim is accurate.
There’s no such thing as left wing fascism. Fascism is capitalistic in theory and authoritarian there’s nothing about it that would make it a left wing ideology.
Tbh, I came into this discussion to show how right wing and left wing do not have a useful definition to discuss real world policies. I don’t think that classifying ideologies as left or right wing matters to the people suffering under them.
Hey, c’mon now, say what you like about MLs, but Soviet hats are cool
Fascism already took a perfectly good mustache from us, don’t let it take the fuzzy hats, too!
At least Pringles Man did the heroic job of reclaiming the Stalin stache before it could be ruined forever o7
“Pringles Man” initially had no name, only referred to as “Mr. P”. Now, he is called Julius Pringles, after a 2006 Wikipedia hoax, eventually being “made canon” by Kellogg in 2013.