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To preface, I don’t think it was right that Salwan was killed. May his murderers be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
That being said, make sure that you actually understand the background of the matter before you start spewing off bigotry against Muslims in this thread. The Wikipedia-article is a good start - I recommend using translation software to read the Swedish one as well as it has more detail on the subject.
Police should set up honeypots to catch these terrorists like they do with pedos, and remove them from western society.
Religious extremists are a disease on society. It’s a form of insanity that promote extreme irrational and harmful behavior.
Salwan Momika was absolutely right to be against it and warn against it. No one was hurt by the Quran burnings, and it can never be justified to harm anyone because of it. It can be argued to be distasteful though. But by that logic they should also kill everybody selling hot dogs at a hot dog stand.Extreme Islamism has no place in EU or any proper democracy.
I agree that religion extremism is trash but your comparison is as dog water. Try doing the same type of thing to a Torah or a bible; watch what happens. You cannot compare one subject to another
There are extremist for every religion and you are just nitpicking. If someone is openly instigating then they will obviously face the consequence from the zealot.
Don’t spread shitty logic like that; it’s a deterrent to a open minded logic
you are just nitpicking
No I’m not, there is a difference, Islam fosters more extremists, Islam does not condone secular government. The Bible and Torah are bad too, but there are degrees, and there’s a reason more Christian countries don’t have death penalty than for any other religion.
But mostly it’s the culture of Muslim countries that is backwards. It’s not religion alone, but the culture and religion go hand in hand.
There can be zero doubt that Islam and Muslims foster way more extremists than other religions, when just burning a book can get you killed. Even in a democratic non Muslim country, What more evidence do you need?
All Abrahamic faiths. Its an embarrassment that secular society still allows this Iron Age junk a seat at the table.
Absolutely, and above I forgot the worst part, religion promotes immoral behavior, while claiming the opposite.
All based on thousands of years old fallacies. Religions are based on delusions and not reality.
I mean this guy was basically going into the hood and screaming at the top of his lungs “get fucked ni**ers”. It was gonna happen eventually, so I’m listing this under “suicide by ethnic minority”.
I’m listing this under “suicide by ethnic minority
That’s complete bullshit, first there is no equivalent to the N word for Muslims, second the N word is a racial thing you can’t change. being a Muslim is a superstition you should get rid of.
You are making false equivalences, and use it to apologize for murder because of religious fanaticism.Even if the equivalence was accurate, it’s not an excuse for killing people. I’m shocked such a moronic post has upvotes!?!?!
That’s complete bullshit, first there is no equivalent to the N word for Muslims,
There’s no equivalent for the N word for Muslims, yeah, but there are ways to offend Muslims as a whole to a similar level, and staging public Quran burnings in front of a mosque to actively provoke Muslims is one of those. Trying to get the Quran banned in Sweden also didn’t do him any favors.
Even if the equivalence was accurate, it’s not an excuse for killing people.
It’s not about being an excuse or not; I’m not trying to excuse the murder here. However, if for example I, an Egyptian Muslim, staged multiple public Bible burning in a major church in a Christian neighborhood in Cairo and kept actively provoking Christians I wouldn’t expect to get away with it; I’d be basically screaming “yes baby lynch me”. That’s what I’m talking about here. This is an act meant to, and bound to, really piss people off and there were always going to be people radical enough to think “I should do something about this”, and out of those there were always going to be people who actually did something about it. This murder was a statistical certainty; this is the same principle behind stochastic terrorism.
Wow you are really choosing to double down on this?
Amazing!!if for example I, an Egyptian Muslim, staged multiple public Bible burning in a major church in a Christian neighborhood in Cairo and kept actively provoking Christians I wouldn’t expect to get away with it;
False equivalence, Egypt and Sweden is not the same culture. In EU we have a thing called freedom of speech. And death penalty is illegal in EU.
Here Egypt is considered extremely backwards. And I can guarantee that if you burn Bibles in Sweden, Christians won’t kill you for it.
False equivalence, Egypt and Sweden is not the same culture. In EU we have a thing called freedom of speech. And death penalty is illegal in EU.
I never said anything about the law here. You only need one person to not care about these things to get something like the OP.
And I can guarantee that if you burn Bibles in Sweden, Christians won’t kill you for it.
Uh… You sure? It seems you only need to not be white to run into racism and be at risk of being victim to a hate crime. With that in mind it seems that I, a very much not white Egyptian went to Sweden did anything as provocative as burning the Bible and advocating for its banning it seems I’d have real reason to fear for my safety. Because again, y’all apparently have people who will target ethnic and religious minorities for simply existing.
I never said anything about the law here.
It’s an expression of wildly different mindsets of the 2 countries.
Uh… You sure?
Yes I’m sure, as sure as you can be about anything in general. Of course racism exist, but it’s not something people are killed over. While for many Muslims it’s perfectly legitimate to kill people for no other reason than disagreeing with the Quran, you don’t find a similar attitude among Christians atheists or Jews. Islam is the worst religion regarding fostering extremism and fanatics.
Which your original response to my post, was merely one example of.
Of course racism exist, but it’s not something people are killed over.
Uh… I don’t think so. I found these by looking up “racially motivated homicide Sweden”, and I imagine you’ll get many more results if you search in Swedish. And these are people who simply… existed. If an immigrant did anything as inflammatory as publicly burning the Bible and calling for its ban they’d be eaten alive by the far right. I don’t know what liberal utopia where everyone tolerates free speech you’re talking about here is, but Sweden ain’t it. Not with these guys as the second largest party in your parliament. Also if you’re still not satisfied with the Bible comparison, you can make it the Swedish flag or whatever else you like. If you think far right media wouldn’t latch onto that like flies then I don’t know what to say.
While for many Muslims it’s perfectly legitimate to kill people for no other reason than disagreeing with the Quran, you don’t find a similar attitude among Christians atheists or Jews.
You’re repeatedly missing the point, and at this point I’m starting to think it’s intentional. The message of “fuck your beliefs and fuck you”, delivered from the target group’s backyard (in front of the Stockholm mosque in this case) is a lot more provocative and inflammatory than just “disagreeing with the Quran”.
you don’t find similar attitude among Christians atheists or Jews
This is just a load of bullshit. Christian hate groups definitely exist and if I burned a Bible in rural Alabama, Missisippi, latin America, Russia, and eastern eruope a mob would finish me. The country with the largest irreligious population is the home of the CCP. The government actively putting Muslims in “reeducation camps”. Let’s ask a Palestinian about Jewish attitudes about burning a Torah?
And try not fall of your high horse as Sweden slides into far right politics like the rest of Europe. You literally have neo nazi terrorists running around Sweden NOW and your talking point of the Quran being so evil sound very similar to theirs
he was from iraq
I guess that made him know exactly how bad Islam can be when it’s allowed to dominate a society.
