If they call it a nazi salute Musk will sue them and could win because he isn’t provably a member of a nazi organization. He could be a neo-nazi but CBS can’t call him one without proof.
Fascist salute would be the best choice as you aren’t engaging in libel. He supports fascism around the world. He is not a German fascist trying to create a master race to lead a 1000 year reich which is what Nazis believe.
No, my arguement is he isn’t a member of the Nazi party. He has never demonstrated any belief in Nazism as a result he will win any libel suit he files against those claiming he is a nazi.
Musk is a fascist but he is not a Nazi. All Nazis are fascist but not all fascists are nazis.
Oh, I see. I didn’t think to check the Nazi party registration list. I was under the impression that anyone can be a Nazi by simply doing Nazi things. Good to know there’s a Nazi certification process to keep people in check.
I hope all those people who keep it a secret or generally low-key know that they can’t actually be a Nazi without being certified by the Nazi party.
Like all those people who march around in masks with Nazi flags. They’re not actually Nazis, so we can all feel safe now.
Oh, sorry, I must have missed the part where you said it’s a Nazi salute. If you believe that then spending this much time arguing about how there’s no way it could be proved in court that it’s a Nazi salute gives the wrong impression.
Especially since for public figures (like Musk) the bar for libel is much higher, and requires that someone know what they said was untrue.
I said they cannot call it that because of libel suits given that he is not a German fascist whose goals align with Nazis which is what US law requires.
Yes, you said that, but it doesn’t make it true. The bar for libel is much higher for public figures, and it would have to be false that it was a Nazi salute for anyone to be found guilty of libel.
You cannot both say ‘no obviously I believe it was a Nazi salute’ and ‘nobody can call it a Nazi salute in the press because they’ll get sued for the crime of lying about someone.’
It isn’t a Nazi salute just like an American waving their hand and saying “hi” isn’t an American salute. It is a fascist salute. The press can call him fascist but calling him a Nazi implies support for Nazism and he does not support Nazism but rather a different form of fascism.
This is about me explaining why the press is reacting this way. i am not showing support for this and it highlights a lack of comprehension when you suggest so.
He would definitely not win. What he did is a Nazi salute. Whether he thinks what he did is one doesn’t matter because he did a Nazi salute.
If I flip someone off, I can tell people I was just letting that person know I think they’re number 1, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t flip them off.
It takes a real coward to not call out a very clear and worldly infamous hand gesture that has existed for 80+ years, when a man that also spews hate rhetoric throws it not just once but multiple times. Further, to my knowledge he has never even denied it, just joked about it and criticized people that criticize him.
I take issue with you using the adverb definitely here.
We don’t know how a court would see this and whether the gesture itself is enough or whether you need to have intent to be doing that.
It’s well documented that this racist doofus is a little awkward and he could reasonably say he was trying a dab and messed it up. You can’t prove intent with something like this. I do believe he was doing a Nazi salute for what it’s worth, but the courts have a higher burden of proof than I do.
He would win because it is not just a Nazi salute. As another description can be used and he isn’t known to be a member of a Nazi organization and “nazi” is an insult Musk would gave what he needs to win a libel suit.
If you haven’t noticed the media that calls it a “Nazi” salute tend to be in countries where libel is harder to establish than in the USA. There’s a legal reason behind why all these American papers are avoiding this.
Finally even IF these media sources did win they will be out millions in legal fees.
Your first link calls it an “alleged” salute which is different than calling Musk a Nazi
The second calls it “apparent” which again is different than outright calling Musk’s actions a nazi salute
The third doesn’t mention Musk at all and calls her salute a Nazi salute. This is because the recently unemployed lady likely cannot afford to sue while the wealthiest human in history absolutely can
Last link makes no mention of Musk.
NOT A SINGLE LINK shows what you suggest. This is because what I am saying is true.
If they call it a nazi salute Musk will sue them and could win because he isn’t provably a member of a nazi organization. He could be a neo-nazi but CBS can’t call him one without proof.
So call it a “fascist salute”, “Hitler’s salute”, or “the salute that the Nazis used”
All of which is factually correct.
Fascist salute would be the best choice as you aren’t engaging in libel. He supports fascism around the world. He is not a German fascist trying to create a master race to lead a 1000 year reich which is what Nazis believe.
“It’s not a Nazi salute if it doesn’t come from the Nazi part of Europe, otherwise it’s just a sparkling fascist salute.”
Literally your argument.
No, my arguement is he isn’t a member of the Nazi party. He has never demonstrated any belief in Nazism as a result he will win any libel suit he files against those claiming he is a nazi.
Musk is a fascist but he is not a Nazi. All Nazis are fascist but not all fascists are nazis.
Oh, I see. I didn’t think to check the Nazi party registration list. I was under the impression that anyone can be a Nazi by simply doing Nazi things. Good to know there’s a Nazi certification process to keep people in check.
I hope all those people who keep it a secret or generally low-key know that they can’t actually be a Nazi without being certified by the Nazi party.
Like all those people who march around in masks with Nazi flags. They’re not actually Nazis, so we can all feel safe now.
Thanks for that peace of mind.
Do you have evidence if Musk doing any if these things? No, you don’t so even by your own idiotic standards he wouldn’t be a Nazi.
We have clear evidence of him doing a Nazi salute. No other evidence is required. He was caught Reich-handed.
Good gods that’s a great line.
Go do that in Germany and see what happens, if you’re so sure it’s not a Nazi salute.
Hey how about you reread that comment you completely misunderstood.
Oh, sorry, I must have missed the part where you said it’s a Nazi salute. If you believe that then spending this much time arguing about how there’s no way it could be proved in court that it’s a Nazi salute gives the wrong impression.
Especially since for public figures (like Musk) the bar for libel is much higher, and requires that someone know what they said was untrue.
I said they cannot call it that because of libel suits given that he is not a German fascist whose goals align with Nazis which is what US law requires.
Yes, you said that, but it doesn’t make it true. The bar for libel is much higher for public figures, and it would have to be false that it was a Nazi salute for anyone to be found guilty of libel.
You cannot both say ‘no obviously I believe it was a Nazi salute’ and ‘nobody can call it a Nazi salute in the press because they’ll get sued for the crime of lying about someone.’
It isn’t a Nazi salute just like an American waving their hand and saying “hi” isn’t an American salute. It is a fascist salute. The press can call him fascist but calling him a Nazi implies support for Nazism and he does not support Nazism but rather a different form of fascism.
This is about me explaining why the press is reacting this way. i am not showing support for this and it highlights a lack of comprehension when you suggest so.
He would definitely not win. What he did is a Nazi salute. Whether he thinks what he did is one doesn’t matter because he did a Nazi salute.
If I flip someone off, I can tell people I was just letting that person know I think they’re number 1, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t flip them off.
It takes a real coward to not call out a very clear and worldly infamous hand gesture that has existed for 80+ years, when a man that also spews hate rhetoric throws it not just once but multiple times. Further, to my knowledge he has never even denied it, just joked about it and criticized people that criticize him.
I take issue with you using the adverb definitely here.
We don’t know how a court would see this and whether the gesture itself is enough or whether you need to have intent to be doing that.
It’s well documented that this racist doofus is a little awkward and he could reasonably say he was trying a dab and messed it up. You can’t prove intent with something like this. I do believe he was doing a Nazi salute for what it’s worth, but the courts have a higher burden of proof than I do.
He would win because it is not just a Nazi salute. As another description can be used and he isn’t known to be a member of a Nazi organization and “nazi” is an insult Musk would gave what he needs to win a libel suit.
If you haven’t noticed the media that calls it a “Nazi” salute tend to be in countries where libel is harder to establish than in the USA. There’s a legal reason behind why all these American papers are avoiding this.
Finally even IF these media sources did win they will be out millions in legal fees.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/pennsylvania-laura-smith-towamencin-township-nazi-salute-controversy-elon-musk/4089263/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/laura-smith-elon-musk-salute_n_6797ced6e4b0792017b78e5e
https://www.newsweek.com/pennsylvania-county-official-resigned-after-salute-video-2021155
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/adl-nazi-salute-towamencin-supervisor-laura-smith-20250126.html
Guess we’ll see how much these journalists with a spine will be successfully sued.
Your first link calls it an “alleged” salute which is different than calling Musk a Nazi
The second calls it “apparent” which again is different than outright calling Musk’s actions a nazi salute
The third doesn’t mention Musk at all and calls her salute a Nazi salute. This is because the recently unemployed lady likely cannot afford to sue while the wealthiest human in history absolutely can
Last link makes no mention of Musk.
NOT A SINGLE LINK shows what you suggest. This is because what I am saying is true.