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Obligatory, fuck Spez
No. I mean, I disagree, but the weirdest thing is the use of liberal as a pejorative on a “left wing site”.
All my adult life I’ve been disliked by my local chuds, cunts, dickheads, fuckwits, and bastards for being liberal. Now the “lefties” dislike me for it too.
It’s weird; I like all the same stuff, push for the same social change as ever but now “libs” like me are the scum of the earth because . . . *checks notes* . . Ah. Yes because the Likud are genocidal evil bastards. Which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah I dunno. Somehow that means we should let trump win.
It’s fucked up bullshit. And it used to be mostly from the “Tankie triad”. But even after they got mostly blocked, the more industrious of them come from “regular” instances now.
Liberal means different things depending on context, country, etc.
Over here in France (although not as common a term as in the US) it is commonly associated with economic liberalism, ie part of right-wing ideology (small government, fewer taxes, etc).
In the US, it’s more of a synonym of social liberalism, and is associated with left-wing ideology, progressivism.
Liberals were never left wing, equality nor equity can happen under capitalism. The rainbow capitalism liberals advocate for only extends as far as their use to the liberal hierarchy. See: trans and undocumented people getting thrown away by the Harris admin as soon as they no longer saw any bumps in polls for supporting them.
The problem you’re having is you live in a place with such a far right Overton window that the thought of even a tenuous equality amongst the under class is a progressive idea. It’s not. But it’s an easy tool to divide the underclass, and even acceptance of ‘controversial’ humans is used to divide the underclass.
Liberal was a good thing to be in the early 1700s, when it was the only alternative to divine right feudalism; but we’ve evolved since then. We don’t have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to.
Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you’re using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.
I mean, I can’t disagree more in terms of my lived experience. You’re surely taking a polisci graduate-level view of these terms and that’s probably exactly what the books say, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that the freedom, liberty, and justice we had in real life, any social progress at all in the last fifty years was due to liberal efforts, which included those who supposedly despise liberals now.
Liberal and conservative ideologies ARE different. If you want to be an faux-academic absolutist and pretend helping trump win is some kind of socialist or anti-capitalist win, you’re crazy.
They’re just two different words that happen to be written with the exact same letters in the exact same order.
Let the confusion… dissipate !! 🪄
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Yeah, I wondered that too, but the rest of the context is solidly American-facing. I don’t think there’s very much confusion over the terms.
The issue at hand is the difference between the colonial terms “liberal” and “conservative” vs the actual political terms that refer to old parties “Liberal” and “Conservative”
Liberals have a right-wing ideology, liberals do not
Is it stupid? Yes