So, I saw a report from one of my users. They reported:

https://ponder.cat/post/1594852/1813842

For the reason:

Unreasonable fighting with everyone in every simple post

I think that’s ridiculous, so I talked with them about it. Posting private communications is frowned upon I guess, but long story short, they weren’t receptive. I’ve decided to ban the account.

IMO the general culture on Lemmy is that users are entitled to their free account and everyone needs to be careful and circumspect about limiting that entitlement in any way, but I don’t see it that way. I don’t think it’s a requirement for me to provide hosting space for anyone who wants to use my stuff as a jumping-off point for abuse of Lemmy’s systems, and isn’t apologetic or receptive when I talk with them about not doing that. The fact that it’s in service of harassing FlyingSquid in particular is just icing on the cake, since my perception is that people like to harass him apparently for no legitimate reason at all (with this as an example).

AITA?

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catOP
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    4 hours ago

    Finally got banned from lemm.ee, did you?

    @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] This dude is evading my attempts to block him, via an endless series of new accounts he makes on new instances. Please consider this a report for block evasion and harassment, as applied to his UniversalMonk account on your instance (all of those being instances on which he’s previously made some new account and then had an interaction which caused me to block that account and ask him to stop contacting me.)

    (Not that you losing an account on any given instance is really that big an obstacle of course. Like I said, it’s a flaw in how Lemmy is set up, from the perspective of moderation, and actually exactly why I don’t give a ton of leeway to new accounts that show strong signs of being up to some kind of malicious behavior.)

    Edit: Since it kind of got lost in the forest of replies below: Yes, I have proof of them deliberately evading blocks, by trying to talk to me on blocked accounts, then switching accounts to non-blocked accounts and then posting “random” comments as the first actions from the non-blocked accounts: https://ponder.cat/post/1596872/1838056

    They’ve also participated via voting in communities they were banned from. It was only a few times, so it could have been an accident. But also, they’ve making dozens of new alts because the old ones keep getting banned and they want to keep doing the same stuff that got them banned, so it’s a little disingenuous to claim there’s no possible way they could keep up with all the blocks and bans that have been applied to them, because it’s so complicated at this point, so it doesn’t count.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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      17 hours ago

      As that user said, they’re not deliberately attempting to block evade. Just a side effect of making a new account

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        14 hours ago

        I’ve seen them posting in communities and instances they have previously been banned from. If they made an attempt to avoid it that would be one thing but they don’t.

        I’m almost certain they are ban evading with their alts.

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          I posted some timestamps of them switching to an alt I don’t have blocked, specifically so they can comment on my posts and I will see it. Happy to send the logs in question if anyone wants to see without digging through their own database.

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          10 hours ago

          If you have, then DM admins directly about that. They probably mod those communities as well, so reports never reach the admins

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        15 hours ago

        What in the actual fuck are you talking about? The user is deliberately block evading. Its so bad, I am going to start publishing a daily UM blocklist for people.

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        16 hours ago

        That’s actually not true. People overuse the word “gaslighting,” but this is actually a perfect example of the original meaning of the term.

        This is the second time recently he’s “accidentally” posted on something I wrote, and both times, he switched away from one of his commonly-used alts, to a different one that I didn’t have blocked, right before posting. I can, if you want me to, send you the output of this from my system:

        Huge SQL query
        WITH target_people AS (
          SELECT id, actor_id
          FROM person
          WHERE name LIKE '%UniversalMonk%'
        )
        SELECT 
          action_time as timestamp,
          actor_id,
          item_id,
          score,
          creator_actor_id,
          CASE 
            WHEN score IS NULL AND content IS NOT NULL THEN 
              CASE 
                WHEN length(content) > 20 THEN substr(content, 1, 20) || '...'
                ELSE content
              END
            ELSE NULL
          END as content
        FROM (
          -- Comments
          SELECT 
            c.published as action_time,
            p.actor_id,
            c.id as item_id,
            NULL::smallint as score,
            creator.actor_id as creator_actor_id,
            c.content
          FROM comment c
          JOIN target_people p ON c.creator_id = p.id
          LEFT JOIN person creator ON c.creator_id = creator.id
          WHERE NOT c.deleted AND NOT c.removed
        
          UNION ALL
        
          -- Posts
          SELECT 
            p.published as action_time,
            person.actor_id,
            p.id as item_id,
            NULL::smallint as score,
            NULL as creator_actor_id,
            NULL as content
          FROM post p
          JOIN target_people person ON p.creator_id = person.id
          WHERE NOT p.deleted AND NOT p.removed
        
          UNION ALL
        
          -- Comment votes
          SELECT 
            cl.published as action_time,
            p.actor_id,
            cl.comment_id as item_id,
            cl.score,
            creator.actor_id as creator_actor_id,
            c.content
          FROM comment_like cl
          JOIN target_people p ON cl.person_id = p.id
          LEFT JOIN comment c ON cl.comment_id = c.id
          LEFT JOIN person creator ON c.creator_id = creator.id
          WHERE NOT c.deleted AND NOT c.removed
        ) combined_actions
        ORDER BY action_time DESC;
        

         

        So what it shows this time, is UniversalMonk using his sh.itjust.works account and lemmy.dbzer0.com account and nothing else for a few days, including most recently at Feb 12 at 23:27, and then at 23:36, switching to his r.nf account, which I haven’t blocked and which he doesn’t use much, and the first thing he did with it was comment on a post of mine.

        The previous time was actually even a little more egregious. He was using his other accounts (including his lemm.ee one, before that one was banned), then at Feb 4 at 21:04 I made a comment in some thread mentioning the existence of a new alt of his, and he switched from other actions on his mainly-used accounts (most recently at 21:38) and then at 21:39 from his vegantheoryclub.org account, his first action on that account was to post this:

        https://vegantheoryclub.org/comment/1670126

        Then, when I semi-politely told him that he was evading the block (since it was pretty obvious to me that something along the lines of the above had happened, although I didn’t verify it at the time) and asked him not to, he played the exact same game of pretending he had just innocently stumbled across a post of mine and wanted to say something about it, and it was totally unreasonable for me to ask him not to.

        There’s a reason he switches to an account I haven’t blocked right before leaving these comments. And yes, I know it sounds semi-psychotic that I went digging around in the database to verify that he is gaslighting you when he feigns total shock and surprise that he had left a comment under a post by me, pretending it was total coincidence. This is why he keeps getting banned on different instances: His behavior is really very strange, dishonest, and malicious in a kind of unique way.

        Anyway, yes he was block evading on purpose to minorly irritate me. I’m happy to DM you proof excerpts or similar. I know it sounds kind of petty for me to go to this extent, but the other way to look at it is, this is the extent that someone has to go to if they want to not be communicated at by UnviersalMonk. He has a history of targeted harassment of users in the past (which is what got him banned from lemmy.world), and for me he seems to have chosen this kind of “gaslighting and hoping I’ll complain about it, so he can feign innocence and write a big italicized innocent message” approach.