Half the country didn’t vote for this and about 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK weren’t allowed to vote (which was against EU regulations but nobody seems to care). So quit the “they asked for it” bullshit.
Not sure why that’s relevant unless you’re arguing that the referendum should have had an attendance threshold; which wouldn’t have happened, it was supposedly advisory…
“Supposedly” as though both sides weren’t arguing that they’d force the result through if it landed in their favour.
As someone who did vote remain, people should have taken the referendum more seriously at the time. It was obvious leading up to the vote that it was always going to be taken as more than advisory by both sides.
I agree; I voted remain and took it seriously. The point of it being Advisory was that, when it turned out to be a really shit idea, that was the escape clause.
It wasn’t advisory other than in a technical legal sense. The UK has no constitutional mechanism for binding referendums. Parliament could always ignore the public, because Parliament can do anything. Cameron just says “what you vote for is what we’re gonna do”, and you take that at face value.
If they’d wanted the analog of an advisory referendum, Cameron would have said “we will take this as input” or something like that.
I’ll also add that, as someone in California, which places a larger-than-typical emphasis on (binding) referendums than most US states, I’d say that a large chunk of the absolute worst policies that I’ve seen have come from referendums.
That’s not to say that I’d oppose their use in all cases, and given that Brexit was probably most analogous to an independence referendum, which is one of the few places where I do agree with referendums, it probably made sense.
But I would not favor expanding their use. The fundamental issue with direct democracy is that it’s a lot less-costly to get a hundred or couple hundred people to really seriously look at and understand an issue to make an informed decision than it is tens of millions. A legislature is, I think, generally a better mechanism to use.
The only problem with that is the conservative party that took over wanted Brexit that to happen, so they were never going to pull that chute fir everyone else. They were just going to wait out the consequences on their piles of money.
30% of eligible voters didn’t bother showing up –> they have to live with the consequences. Also, it’s not 50% of the population that didn’t vote for it, more like half of the 70% of eligible voters that decided to show up, making it 35%.
True, however Putin had his fingers in it as he did with the US election. France managed to avoid the fall out the same window or we would be in a heap of trouble.
I mean they made their bed, now they should just sleep in it and shut up.
About 25% of the population voted to leave.
Vote, people. Because if you don’t, a minority might choose your future for you. You can avoid politics, but politics won’t avoid you.
Half the country didn’t vote for this and about 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK weren’t allowed to vote (which was against EU regulations but nobody seems to care). So quit the “they asked for it” bullshit.
About 40% of eligible voters didn’t participate…
Edit: about 30%
Not sure why that’s relevant unless you’re arguing that the referendum should have had an attendance threshold; which wouldn’t have happened, it was supposedly advisory…
“Supposedly” as though both sides weren’t arguing that they’d force the result through if it landed in their favour.
As someone who did vote remain, people should have taken the referendum more seriously at the time. It was obvious leading up to the vote that it was always going to be taken as more than advisory by both sides.
I agree; I voted remain and took it seriously. The point of it being Advisory was that, when it turned out to be a really shit idea, that was the escape clause.
It wasn’t advisory other than in a technical legal sense. The UK has no constitutional mechanism for binding referendums. Parliament could always ignore the public, because Parliament can do anything. Cameron just says “what you vote for is what we’re gonna do”, and you take that at face value.
If they’d wanted the analog of an advisory referendum, Cameron would have said “we will take this as input” or something like that.
I’ll also add that, as someone in California, which places a larger-than-typical emphasis on (binding) referendums than most US states, I’d say that a large chunk of the absolute worst policies that I’ve seen have come from referendums.
That’s not to say that I’d oppose their use in all cases, and given that Brexit was probably most analogous to an independence referendum, which is one of the few places where I do agree with referendums, it probably made sense.
But I would not favor expanding their use. The fundamental issue with direct democracy is that it’s a lot less-costly to get a hundred or couple hundred people to really seriously look at and understand an issue to make an informed decision than it is tens of millions. A legislature is, I think, generally a better mechanism to use.
The only problem with that is the conservative party that took over wanted Brexit that to happen, so they were never going to pull that chute fir everyone else. They were just going to wait out the consequences on their piles of money.
30% of eligible voters didn’t bother showing up –> they have to live with the consequences. Also, it’s not 50% of the population that didn’t vote for it, more like half of the 70% of eligible voters that decided to show up, making it 35%.
True, however Putin had his fingers in it as he did with the US election. France managed to avoid the fall out the same window or we would be in a heap of trouble.