• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    I don’t think the point here is “I should be able to convince you”, it’s “We’re not friends anymore, because you’re a genuine piece of shit from a moral standpoint”.

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      15 hours ago

      Good luck with trying to improve the political landscape while not talking to a large part of the population, then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        15 hours ago

        Have you talked to Trump voters, man?

        Most of them are not salvageable.

        It’s the same essential mistake that the Harris campaign committed this past election which may have lost us our democracy permanently - a favorite mistake of the Democratic Party seeking to fend off its left-wing by showing (or, in this case, ‘showing’) that bipartisanship and reaching ‘across the aisle’ is a winning formula. Trying to reason with right-wing voters in this country is a lost fucking cause. Reasoning with those who’ve tuned out due to apathy or despair is the way forward - assuming, of course, that votes matter going forward, which is far from guaranteed.

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          14 hours ago

          Step one: don’t try to “convert” anyone.

          Rather, listen to their worries. You gan point out discrepancies with their world view and show your disapproval if they’re really bringing out the racist shit, but don’t try to sell them your ideology.

          Also, remember that it takes time to change someone’s viewpoint. You need to be patient.

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            14 hours ago

            Rather, listen to their worries. You gan point out discrepancies with their world view and show your disapproval if they’re really bringing out the racist shit, but don’t try to sell them your ideology.

            So the civility politics route the Dems have been trying for the past 40 years.

            How’s that worked out?

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              14 hours ago

              So the civility politics route the Dems have been trying for the past 40 years.

              Non-sequitur much?

              In what way have the Dems ever listened to any non-millionaire?

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                14 hours ago

                Man, that is all the fucking Dems have done for longer than I’ve been alive. Ass-patting rural voters and telling them how valid their concerns are, and trying to compromise and show how very ‘reasonable’ we are.

                You wanna track how the rural vote has trended since?

                We’ve not increased our share by validating their basic positions and pointing out contradictions in the details that they’ll willfully forget a day fucking later.

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                  14 hours ago

                  No, that’s what they’ve claimed to do while still taking my opponent’s side in the class war.

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        14 hours ago

        Ah yes. Last conversation I had with one they insisted they saw a bus sized drone in the sky. If I’m rude or not improving the political landscape then lol oh well guess I’m not then.