This one is both upsetting and weird.
So there was a user on ponder.cat who’s been spamming posts. Like a lot. 58 per day, on average. Not 58 comments. 58 posts.
I started seeing a little scattering of reports about it, mostly just figured it was the mods’ business to deal with, and then finally today I actually really took a look at what they were doing and realized it was way over the top. Pretty much everyone in the comments agreed when someone brought it up.
A 25 day old account with 1,400+ posts? What the actual fuck? My entire goddamn feed is this one account…
Touch grass. Good lord. You’re carpet bombing multiple communities with repeats of the same crap.
The user was not receptive.
lol.
I guess people here do not know how to block an account.
:)
Is that a compliment or a rant?
May I introduce you to Lemmy block function.
If you don’t like my posts then block me and you will never see them again. As simple as that.
That’s a bunch of bullshit. The voting was about as you would expect. I said to the user:
That’s not how it works. If you’re interfering with the average Lemmy user’s experience, you don’t get to claim it doesn’t count because each individual person would be able to block each individual problematic account, if they wanted to have a good experience. Honestly, these people have a point. You have been posting an average of 58 posts per day. That’s too much. I post a ton, and that’s about 10 times more than me, and I’ve gotten multiple complaints about posting too much in particular communities. The handful of times it’s happened, my reaction was “Oh my bad what sounds like an acceptable level” and then to more or less stick to an acceptable level. Getting snarky with people who are asking you to cool it is very bad. Please stop posting so much. Anything about 10-15 posts per day starts to feel really excessive to me. Definitely don’t be dismissive about people’s complaints to you about it.
They rejected my suggestion, so I sent them a DM that was a little more direct about it: Stop doing this if you want to keep your account on my instance.
Then, for some reason, they deleted their account on their own.
Well, that was weird, but at least it’s all resolved and we can all get back to what we were doing. Or wait… what’s happening now?
I wasn’t expecting “making sure we make a safe space for the spammers by banning people who complain about spam” to be an important moderation duty, but I guess in the bizarro world that is [email protected] moderation philosophy, it makes perfect sense.
There’s nothing wrong with posting as much as you want, as long as the moderators are willing to accept your posts and don’t reject them.
There’s nothing wrong with a moderator kicking someone for personal attacks, so Ghyste’s ban was completely justified and is certainly an example of YDI.
The only PTB I see here would be admin of ponder.cat, if they’d actually delete someone’s account for adding more content to Lemmy; but cat deleted their account themselves, so it’s not like that. They are PTB anyway, since that acronym can also stand for PhilipTheBucket, lol.
This is a super weird and authoritarian philosophy.
I get where you’re coming from, but imagine “There’s nothing wrong with posting Nazi content, as long the moderators are willing to accept your posts et cetera.”
See how insane that sounds? The moderators can be wrong. The users can be wrong. Everyone has their judgements, but the idea that it’s appropriate for people to become totally passive in the face of whatever the moderators decide, even if it is irritating them or seems wrong, because the space “belongs” to the moderators to do what they want with it, and the users need to leave if they don’t like that, is some bullshit.
IDK how this type of thinking crept into the internet. It didn’t used to be here.
It might be true, as a practical matter, that the moderators have control over their spaces. That doesn’t mean that by definition there is “nothing wrong” with what they are doing with it. That’s the whole point of this community here.
on the contrary it sounds insane to equate “posting with high volume” with “posting Nazi content” as though that’s a fair example you can use toward your argument at all
“people who post a lot are basically Nazis” ??? hello? lmao
if they are posting content that shouldn’t be there, report it. if the mods disagree, start a petition or encourage a migration. if you still can’t make change, use the block button. it’s really actually easy lol
Okay, sure.
“There’s nothing wrong with posting ads for your home supplement company, which everyone hates, as long as you cleared it with the mods first and they said it was okay.”
That one’s probably a more accurate analogy.
so did that actually happen? and if so why would you complain about it as a volume issue and not a self advertising issue?
I am pointing out that the central conceit of their message – apparently, that nothing a user does can ever be wrong, as long as the mods are okay with it – is weird and incorrect. By way of some amplified versions and other situations where the same logic would lead to an absurd outcome.
Obviously, a poster can be posting too much, even if the mods are okay with it. That’s the whole point of this community, is to second-guess the judgement of the mods.
here you seem to equate “users can post at a high volume if they follow the other rules” with “nothing the user does can ever be wrong” which NO one ever said
i hope the absurdity of this is innately apparent lol
Yeah some communities choose different moderation styles (often because of a tendency to fraughtness or sensitivity) and at some point users with different personal preferences in a community just have to deal with it. It’s a temp ban preemptively removing off topic comments, lol, like it’s going to be fine.
If the banned comment had been in an on-topic meta or petition thread, my tune would change immediately.
The reality is it is trivial for me to block one user whose volume of posting I dislike. I cannot trivially block dozens of people who dogpile and start campaigns against that user, swelling threads to become fully off topic and often toxic.