So maybe all the Canadian-trained doctors can come back?
American here. Apparently those doctors aren’t fleeing to my local clinic in Seattle. Routine appointments are scheduled months out. Last August I had a weird little heart thing where paramedics showed up and checked me out. They recommended taking a cardio stress test, which I couldn’t get until October, and discussing the results with the actual doctor was in fucking December. Because we have the Finest Healthcare System In The World™ (sunbeams, angels singing). Of course for really urgent matters you can get very immediate attention via ambulance and the Emergency Room, and then you owe them your house. Cuz Freedom!
I’m a current American bio student planning to go into healthcare, can confirm I’m planning to go to grad school abroad to hopefully escape the US. I’m not planning to go to Canada though, I’m planning to go to Australia. I decided not to look into Canada after hearing of it’s rising far-right and anti-immigrant sentiment. If Canada wants US brain drain Canadians would have to be willing to accept American immigrants, even with how poorly many Canadians view Americans right now
Australia has the same problems as Canada
Got a bio friend fleeing to NZ rn
I decided not to look into Canada after hearing of it’s rising far-right and anti-immigrant sentiment.
Is this not happening everywhere?
Sure, but not to the same degree. I don’t know much about Canadian politics but for a time my social media was filled with post after post bashing Trudeau and favoring more far-right politicians just over immigration policy. It was enough to turn me off of your country as a whole, if immigrants are so hated there.
Sounds like propaganda got to you. Maybe don’t make big life decisions if you “don’t know much” about a topic? Educating yourself is free, just hard to do if your source of education is “post after post”.
The funny thing about immigration is that it turns out I don’t need to research every single ‘might be good, might be bad’ country out there. I only needed to find a single country that had lenient immigration laws and would be accepting of me. Australia was that country for me, though it has it’s own issues as all countries do. Personally, I don’t think I should need to have some degree in foreign politics to be able to decide which countries would/wouldn’t be welcoming to me. If anything, if Canada has some massive propaganda problem where all searchable metrics (58% Trudeau disapproval ratings, 58% think too much immigration, 41% anxious immigrant rights get too much attention), then perhaps “too much propaganda” is yet another reason to avoid Canada.
I’m not sure why you’re talking if you already have all the answers buddy.
That’s because Trudeau is wildly unpopular. So unpopular he was finally asked to resign (and agreed to do so) by his own party.
And furthermore if you want to understand the reasons behind anti-immigrant sentiment in Canada you should study our housing policies and issues. Canada is in the midst of a housing crisis which I believe is the main contributor to anti-immigrant sentiment.
Now you might say (and would be fair to do so) that immigrants are not to blame for bad housing policy. That is true, however it’s entirely fair for Trudeau to receive his share of the blame for the housing crisis, especially given his many promises to address the issue.
And if you’re wondering about Australia: its housing crisis is as bad or worse than Canada’s. Anti-immigration sentiment and far-right politics is even more prevalent there.
Australia hates immigrants too so have fun with that
All our media is controlled by right wing groups. I wouldn’t take that as a representation of the overall sentiment of the population.
We are looking at an election soon however so hesitation makes sense.
I wasn’t reading news articles so much as I as reading Reddit comments (back when I still used Reddit), which is certainly still not a completely comprehensive read of the whole Canadian population, but it’s about as close as I can get without being in Canada myself. To be honest though, having most of the media controlled by right wing groups is another concern, though I do hope your elections go well
I think it’s important to remember immigration isn’t just some lever you can turn on and off: “oh we’re having issues with quality of life so let’s stop letting immigrants in,” “oh but we want highly educated people like doctors so lets let them in.” Prospective immigrants will remember at best the wishy-washy stance on whether or not immigrants should be let in, at worst the outright xenophobic sentiment they had heard. This especially goes for people in highly educated professions like doctors, who are desirable immigrants in any countries, and thus have options to pick and choose where they want to go.
I know when my parents (who are both doctors) started looking into investing a bit in other countries, Canada wasn’t even considered, they went straight to investing in Europe. When I told them I was looking into foreign colleges, they suggested schools in New Zealand, in Germany, in Sweden… they didn’t once recommend Canada. Well, this is just anecdotal evidence, and I’m sure many many American doctors will flee to Canada. But I wouldn’t assume just because doctors are leaving the US necessarily means they’re going to Canada
/r/Canada was taken over by right wing groups too. The rest of us migrated to /r/onguardforthee (before coming here).
Onguardforthee is trash. Echo chamber.
Pharmaceutical tech and bio students are getting offers rescinded to universities because of the US grant cuts.
We have the chance to eat the US’s lunch for the next decade of health tech right now.
Yay! But also consider coming to the EU; we are also in need of good doctors!
There is already a brain drain of doctors from the south to the north and west of Europe. So so many Greeks for example.
Fair enough, but I am from Portugal, so I do feel the issue.
Ironic commenting this from Lemmy.ca
A fine point, but Lemmy.ca is geared towards Canadians, not exclusive to them.
I’m not a doctor but if trump takes Canada, I’ll be seriously looking into what it takes to move to The Netherlands… That or some nice country/Island where I don’t need to hurt other people.
My country (Portugal) is a quite good place, but please don’t buy or rent any overpriced house, because that makes it too expensive for the poorest citizens (minimum salary is less than 900 euros per month).
I’ve heard nothing but good things about Portugal! Though, I think it’s incredibly disrespectful to go to a country and not know at least SOME of the local language. I’ve never even considered learning Portuguese but I am now, if not just to visit. I will 100% respect the local culture.
I really like it in Canada, but I am quite scared of trump calling himself king, Canada the 51st state, etc. If it comes down to it, any peaceful place is where I want to be.
sorta annoying the universal healthcare fighting AMA is pretty responsible for where we are now.
Only took 40 years to reverse brain drain
Sorry if this is off-topic, but I can’t be the only one who read the title as “pegging canada,” right?
Canada should be investing in healthcare and science, taking advantage of the current opportunity to poach world-class talent from the USA. And don’t vote Conservative because they’ll do the opposite.
I can’t agree with your comment more. It’s time for Canada to take a stand and invite in all the smartest people from the US to help us bolster our economy and better the country.
Same situation, here in Europe - the most beneficial situation would be to have a bigger partnership between the EU and Canada! Only then, we could face Trump, Putin, and other dictators.
Trudeau did a great job of doing this the first time around. We got some big names in Chemistry back across the border. Thanks Trump lol
Problem with that is we gotta offer a higher salary, which we can’t afford right now. Now with how medicare is being sabotaged by conservative provincial governments.
Not living under fascism and the threat of going to prison for doing your job is worth a pay cut for some. That said, we shouldn’t underpay medical professionals.
They’re already very well paid. A bit too much in my opinion. Sure they have a lot of responsibilities and there’s a lot of risks. But so do engineers, and they’re not even close to what medical professionals do. (Correct me if I’m wrong though)
Edit:
Here’s a link with data about medical professional salaries in Canada:
https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/
And here is one with the data for France:
https://www.medelse.com/actualites/la-remuneration-des-medecins-par-specialite-le-guide/
Or (from 2018)
If they stay in the US for the money, they deserve to stay there and see what happens.
For many of them, just coming to Canada is worth making a few bucks less.
I mean, mental health is worth something. I’d be willing to take a pay cut.
Is tech support in demand? 😅
If we get all the smart people, most everything will be in demand.
Must be nice to be so privileged.
Do dumb people deserve fascists?Well, the dumb people voted for the fascists, so kinda?
What the fuck?
Where’s your reading comprehension?
My mistake, i thought this topic was about how emigrsting to Canada is realistically only possible for people who have skills in high demand and are referred to here as “smart”.
Sorry for offending you, oh wise one. I’m just a mere moron, please forgive me.
Even with your apology you sound like a dick.
Call it ‘Projet Trombone’ .
Should’ve done it 8 years back when the orange fuckwad was elected for the first time. Incredible miss by Canada.
We didn’t miss, we got some smart folks during that time.
Nothing changed during Trump’s first presidency disaster and nothing has changed after the pandemic. It won’t happen and this is fucking sad.
Best we csn do is piss away money on mega corpos thst won’t do jackshit.
From what little I know, I believe that wait times for Canadian family physicians suck because they move to the US for better pay. So this is rebalancing the scales
It’s been so ass these last few years to get proper care. Glad to hear it
He writes under a pseudonym due to fear of further retribution from members of U.S. medical leadership and U.S. government officials.
What a sad state
what a sad country!
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Welcome. Shouldn’t be hard to get in if you have credentials.
I’ve got my ticket in, just waiting for bureaucracy at this point :)
Cmon home! We need ya!
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