Tim Hortons is a private company, isn’t a necessity, and doesn’t have any shortage of qualified workers. Would you consider it more reasonable if we offered med school students the choice of the currently heavily-subsidized fee structure in return for public service after graduation, or paying the full unsubsidized cost of their educations in return for not doing public service?
No, and there are extant subsidized programs that require people participating in them to work under certain conditions for a time after graduation. As long as it’s disclosed clearly and in advance, I don’t see anything wrong with it. So any program imposing public service on medical students after graduation couldn’t ethically be applied to those now in school, but could reasonably be imposed on anyone who first enrolls after the condition is set and publicized.
All education programs are managed the same way in Canada.
The reason this was proposed is that we have been losing a good portion of our doctors to the US.
The thing is, if you come from another country and want to study at McGill University to become a doctor, you will pay the full amount of your studies and can go back to work wherever you want.
Canadians have decided as a society that we want to lessen the burden of our citizens in regards to education in order to remove barriers for highly skilled careers (or any careers) but this is paid by our taxes. Training doctors just so they can fuck off to the US and never pay a cent of taxes here is a bad investment and is creating undue pressure in our medical system.
So yeah, I think it’s fair to ask that if you use our low cost education system, you should be accountable to give back to the community before you decide to go exploit the broken system down south for personal gain.
I’ll add that these ‘asks’ have been used for decades. My father had a similar ask back in the late 60’s (in Saskatchewan). He could have his loans all forgiven if he signed a contract to practice social work in the province for a number of years.
Unfortunately he and my mom split up during that time and he moved to BC, so had to pay the Sask gov’t back for his BSW.
I don’t know if it’s different in other provinces but in Quebec, Education loans are interest free and managed by provincial government.
That is a favourable financing but it is still debt that has to be paid back.
Why would anyone agree to be an indentured servant here?
Here is some debt and you got to work at this place for 5 years even if somebody will pay you more.
This ain’t very freedom IMHO
Because the cost that you pay per semester is still magnitudes lower than what the actual cost to the state is.
Public school is free, we should make the little shits work 5 years at Tim Hortons?
Tim Hortons is a private company, isn’t a necessity, and doesn’t have any shortage of qualified workers. Would you consider it more reasonable if we offered med school students the choice of the currently heavily-subsidized fee structure in return for public service after graduation, or paying the full unsubsidized cost of their educations in return for not doing public service?
Is medical school the only thing that subsidized in Canada?
No, and there are extant subsidized programs that require people participating in them to work under certain conditions for a time after graduation. As long as it’s disclosed clearly and in advance, I don’t see anything wrong with it. So any program imposing public service on medical students after graduation couldn’t ethically be applied to those now in school, but could reasonably be imposed on anyone who first enrolls after the condition is set and publicized.
All education programs are managed the same way in Canada.
The reason this was proposed is that we have been losing a good portion of our doctors to the US.
The thing is, if you come from another country and want to study at McGill University to become a doctor, you will pay the full amount of your studies and can go back to work wherever you want.
Canadians have decided as a society that we want to lessen the burden of our citizens in regards to education in order to remove barriers for highly skilled careers (or any careers) but this is paid by our taxes. Training doctors just so they can fuck off to the US and never pay a cent of taxes here is a bad investment and is creating undue pressure in our medical system.
So yeah, I think it’s fair to ask that if you use our low cost education system, you should be accountable to give back to the community before you decide to go exploit the broken system down south for personal gain.
I’ll add that these ‘asks’ have been used for decades. My father had a similar ask back in the late 60’s (in Saskatchewan). He could have his loans all forgiven if he signed a contract to practice social work in the province for a number of years.
Unfortunately he and my mom split up during that time and he moved to BC, so had to pay the Sask gov’t back for his BSW.