https://lemmy.world/comment/15319695

I’m guessing they did this because my comment didn’t have the correct positive vibes for them on their post when they’re the moderator.

It’s funny because 196 and almost all of its derivatives are rightfully anti-tankie because tankies promote centrism and conservatism directly harmful to trans and gay rights.

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    You interpreted the words as their literal meaning? And pray tell me, what is their literal meaning? The words don’t mean anything except as a dog whistle. Explain to me how you looked at those two words together, and thought, yeah, that’s a normal phrase that’s said.

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      culture /kŭl′chər/
      noun
      The arts, beliefs, customs, institutions, and other products of human work and thought considered as a unit, especially with regard to a particular time or social group.

      These arts, beliefs, and other products considered with respect to a particular subject or mode of expression.

      The set of predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize a group or organization.


      marxism
      noun
      The socialist philosophy and political program developed by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. Any social or political philosophy or ideology derived from the thought of Karl Marx.

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        Right, now stop being cute and tell me what those words mean in the context of each other. Define cultural Marxism. If they’re normal words, surely you know what they mean together.

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          Idk how you’re not understanding this. Did you think I was just being dramatic when I said literal and therefor meant metaphorical?

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            Marxism is explicitly a materialist worldview - it has no real way of comparing cultural qualities

            Unless you just mean ‘the culture of marxists’, but then you’ve pretty much taken up the term in its original meaning. Especially since the original post is about transgenter identity…

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              Marxism is explicitly a materialist worldview - it has no real way of comparing cultural qualities

              Jesus fucking Christ. Every time I think I’ve seen peak tankie stupidity, a new gem emerges.

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                The only point in which Marx comments on cultural practices is to point to how it is used to reinforce labor relations with capital.

                If there’s any definitive ‘culture’ to Marx it’s more broadly counter-traditional than anything specific.

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                  The only point in which Marx comments on cultural practices is to point to how it is used to reinforce labor relations with capital.

                  Because 90% of Marx’s writing is about class relations. That’s like saying “The only part where the rock star sings is when the guitar is playing”, no fucking shit.

                  If there’s any definitive ‘culture’ to Marx it’s more broadly counter-traditional than anything specific.

                  So now we’ve moved on from “it has no real way of comparing cultural qualities because it’s a materialist worldview” to “Marxism doesn’t have a culture”, which isn’t even close to what was said and what I objected to.

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                    Because 90% of Marx’s writing is about class relations.

                    Yes that’s the point. Marx isn’t concerned with cultural expression outside of how it’s used inside class relations. Which is why it’s inane to point to ‘the culture of marxism’, because outside of that narrow materialist context marxism doesn’t concern itself with culture.

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                  Yes.

                  This thumb is a subset of fingers, so when somebody said finger thumbs I didn’t immediately associate that with racist dogwhistles.

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                    Ideologies are a part of culture, but culture isn’t a part of all ideologies, see?

                    “The culture of Marxism” is a misnomer - any distinct ‘culture’ that marxists might share is incidental to what marxism actually is. Suggesting that transgender expression is somehow a distinct feature of a culture ‘of marxism’ is exactly the thing ‘cultural bolshevism’ and ‘cultural marxism’ are pointing to.