The shitshow in the Whitehouse yesterday really brought it to light - the U.S. can no longer be trusted with our secrets. Its time to leave 5 eyes. I would create a new intelligence sharing union with the other 3 members, on condition that they also leave. Inviting France and other EU states might also make sense.
I disagree - everything we send goes to Moscow. Everything we get comes from Moscow. There is no value for us. There’s nothing to lose by leaving.
I’m afraid there is, because Trump’s vindictiveness won’t stop with intelligence! Tariffs would be just the start.
Then he’s already an aggressor. It s time to stand up bullies and fascists.
Yes. Again, I did start my comment with ‘You’re right’. But it’s also the case that what you - and I - are advocating for would, in the short term, be a boon to terrorism and organised crime, and may well have knock on effects for the economy, too.
My point is not that we shouldn’t do it, but that it would have massive, unpredictable consequences!
Wow, this is like the country level of justifying staying with an abuser. If the USA is unreliable and insecure, because of trumps, but more because the American people voted him in and their government sees fit not to prevent the kind of issues he’s causing. Then it’s better to leave and face consequences, and retaliate appropriately now, than suffer and still face those same consequences later.
No, it isn’t, because the first thing I said was:
And the rest of my comment simply pointed out that it would be complex and risky - which is true.
Yes, but you’re discounting the fact that all intelligence is shared in the mean time. All large intergovernmental organisations are complex. The USA is likely compromised. Sharing data with them would undermine the new entity.