The Trump administration has reportedly paused all military aid to Ukraine.
The decision, reported by Bloomberg News, comes after a meeting between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House on Friday descended into chaos, the latest in a larger fraying of the U.S.-Ukraine alliance.
The president is reportedly reviewing whether Zelensky is willing to engage in good-faith efforts at making peace with Russia, a Defense Department official told the outlet.
A tantrum that will allow more free people who want to join NATO and the sphere of American and European influence and economy to die while saving the lives of an invading genocidal army.
And you choose this. Your ancestors would be disgusted.
Saying that people who are kidnapped off the streets, who cannot leave the country (other than trying to cross “illegally” through mountains/rivers), who cannot vote, whose medias are controlled, saying that they are free is so fucking cruel.
Trump is the people’s only chance of survival in Zelensky’s concentration camp.
None of what you mentioned has anything to do with freedom. Freedom isn’t defined by what you can do, it’s defined by what you can’t do. If they capitulate to Russia, they’ll permanently lose essential freedoms.
Yes, the situation is bad, I get that, but it should be the Ukrainian people who decide when to tap out. Russia will keep harassing them, and they will never be safe without strong allies.
None of what you mentioned has anything to do with freedom.
What? Being able to move freely has nothing to do with freedom? Not being kidnapped and forced into the meatgrinder has nothing to do with freedom? Being able to vote for your representatives has nothing to do with freedom? So, a person who cannot do any of the is free in your opinion? I guess we have a veri different definition of freedoms then.
If they capitulate to Russia, they’ll permanently lose essential freedoms.
So, how do I sign up to lose the “freedoms” I’ve described above?
should be the Ukrainian people who decide when to tap out.
But we can’t. Only Trump and Putin support us having a vote, everybody else prefers we have no say.
Everything you mentioned is due to the war. If we roll back the clock to before the war, which country was more free? If the war ends today, which country is likely to be more free?
I think Ukraine wins in both (esp if we remove issues due to Russian bullying). It wasn’t some paradise of freedom or anything, but they had a lot more voice in their government.
Only Trump and Putin support us having a vote
Neither do, they both want concessions. Trump seems to want resources, and Putin wants land and no NATO expansion. Neither wants what’s best for Ukrainians, they want spoils of war.
Neither do, they both want concessions. Trump seems to want resources, and Putin wants land and no NATO expansion. Neither wants what’s best for Ukrainians, they want spoils of war.
They both want there to be elections in Ukraine so that we can vote. Zelensky (with support from Europe and previously USA) wants to continue being a dictator without elections.
Zelensky will not stop the war until the very last of us dead. As long as there is cannon fodder he will continue.
So don’t matter how bad Trump’s deal will be, no matter how much concessions will be given to Putin, it’s still better than continuation of Zelensky’s regime (and war as a direct consequence, with millions dead and wounded).
Or offer to give Ukraine 2 nukes if Zelensky steps down.
Or help Ukraine join a bigger organization that can help them. offer them statehood like Canada.
Better yet invade Russia right now. They can’t even take Ukraine. That will end the war.
but no let’s stop them from getting weapons over minerals rights and offer no alternatives. So Russia keeps everything and more Ukraine lives are lost over something they didn’t choose. Russia is not known for forgiving population that gave them trouble. Just look at east Berlin.
give them nukes / start WW3
That’s a very good idea, but only as long as only people supporting this are going to die. So, you know, you but not me.
more Ukraine lives are lost over something they didn’t choose.
So let’s stop the war so that lives are not lost.
Russia is not known for forgiving population that gave them trouble. Just look at east Berlin.
Are you trying to tell me that people on liberated territories have it worse than people on Zelensky controlled territories? That’s absolutely incorrect. People on liberated territories are free and can leave at any moment. People on Zelensky’s controlled territories can’t.
WW3? who’s supporting Russia? A country that can barely support a war effort with increasing the age recalling vets, up aged of conscription to 30, and using prisoners to fight battles. This whole thing started because Ukraine gave up the nukes they had in 1994 for protection that they didn’t get. America is was them what is agreeded upon. Russia is not. If you can’t honor a deal then give back the nukes.
We both agree on stopping the war but bend over to appease the aggressor is not the answer. That didn’t work with Hitler either.
WW3?
So what in your opinion is going to happen if NATO/USA invades Russia? They will just give up and not nuke the shit out of NATO/USA?..
We both agree on stopping the war but bend over to appease the aggressor is not the answer.
Well, it doesn’t look to me like that…
“End the war now by signing a peace deal” and “end the war that has been going on for three years where one side has been almost constantly losing more and more ground by trying to make that side win the war and return all lost land” are almost the exact opposite opinions if anything…So you agree nukes are great deterrent. Let’s pass some to Ukraine. In fact maybe for them mineral rights. If trump wants a steep price it should be worth it. And no I don’t even think Russia has functioning nukes based on their performance in Ukraine.
Well Russia hasn’t respected any cease fire so I doubt they respect anything that isn’t backed up with Ukraine joining nato or nukes.
And no I don’t even think Russia has functioning nukes based on their performance in Ukraine.
In other words you want to gamble on millions, or possibly billions of lives.
I’d be up for it but only if you were gambling on your own life and loves of your friends/family/etc., not on my.
