Partie’s will always exist. They are a natural progression of people aligning their values. You can call them different names but a ‘group of politically aligned people’ will always form.
Parties can be dictatorships, but should be a reflection of the ideal governance of the system they’re trying to run. In the US certainly nearly all parties are oligarchical dictatorships, since that’s just what the US has been from the start.
Ideally we’d have a coequal party spring up or at least a co-op party. But I fear both of those are too complicated for American brains since even PSL has a fairly strict hierarchy based on funding potential instead of merit or internal democracy.
Parties can be dictatorships, but should be a reflection of the ideal governance of the system they’re trying to run
They 100% should be. And we just took huge steps towards that
But I don’t think you’re understanding. This isn’t an analogy, the Party Chair has absolute power, and zero accountability.
That’s what all that noise with Donna Brazile was about. She was a high ranking person at the DNC who took an interim chair. She was expecting everything to be fine because that’s what the prior chair had kept saying…
Then she disclosed that the party had been bankrupt for years, and was being funded by Hillary since before the primary started which came with many strings, one of which was that Clinton’s campaign had final say on anything they DNC said.
I really think the people who don’t think the party has changed much, just aren’t truly aware of how bad shit has been at the DNC the last 30 years. Most don’t even know why it didn’t improve under Obama’s presidency
Right? All they had to do was promise to Legalize weed, increase the minimum wage, put caps on rent increases, go after shrinkflation, make it easier to vote, say that healthcare is a human right, fight for unions, promise to help support people who currently can’t afford to buy homes to be able to buy homes, and tax the rich and corporations more.
Oh wait, Harris did all of those things. Democrats have had progressive policy, but voters keep voting against it. Because Democrats have to be perfect and cant also happen to have a couple shit policies. The moment they have a couple shitty policies, or don’t have all the progressive policies people want. those are all that matter and that means Democrats are just the same as Republicans.
The problem is they’ve been promising that for two decades.
They’re great at saying things, sometimes, to specific outlet while saying the opposite to their donors and other outlets. But they’re terrible at doing anything. At all. After decades of lies, after decades of trying to push them left… The Harris campaign paid partial lip service and promised what Obama did in 2008.
Also no, Dems are the same as Republicans because their goals, based on their actions and voting records, are exactly the same. Make rich people more rich, bust unions, keep the poor poor.
I was with you until you went all “both sides”. Dems fucking suck, they’re inauthentic, corrupt leaches, but the last 6 weeks alone ought to be plenty enough to prove that the repubs are whole other animal. These are officially Nazi’s we’re dealing with.
By that logic, what are you? The same? I don’t know you but you sure as fuck ain’t Luigi. What makes your tiny actions so much greater than a protesters?
They’ve increased taxes in 2009 in response to the crash, they’ve done investment in infrastructure. They’ve passed the first climate change legislation ever in this country. They increased the minimum wage in 2009 and tried to again. They did actual shit for the 4 years of the last 2 decades they’ve had full power to do anything. But then voters vote them out because they don’t do everything they intended to.
They need do more, but they need full power to do that. Whenever they get that they do shit. But it’s impossible to do shit when Republicans control one house of Congress kneecapping everything they want to do.
Also they are incredibly different. One of them wants to increase the minimum wage, the other wants to get rid of it. One of them wants to make sure queer folk are allowed to exist in public and have rights, the other wants to put us in prison and take away our right to exist at all. One of them wants to bust monopolies and the other wants more monopolies. One of them wants to increase social safety net benefits, the other wants to get rid of it. One of them wants to tax the rich, the other wants no federal income tax at all. One of them believes that voting should be easy and the other wants to make voting impossible.
They’ve passed plenty of bills that end up dying because of Republicans, you’re blaming Democrats for Republicans being the problem and saying they’re the same. You’re being reductive because they happen to both be capitalist parties, which sucks ass but there’s a lot of space in the capitalist spectrum.
Listen, there’s nothing wrong with wanting Democrats to do better. But it’s BS to say they haven’t done anything positive in the last 20 years. 20 years where they only actually had full power for 4 of those years and 2 of those years only barely had a majority in the Senate.
Edit: also most of what I said Harris campaigned on has not been promised for 2 decades. She campaigned on policies that the party hadn’t supported on the presidential level before. The only democratic presidential nominee to campaign on legalizing weed was Harris. The only one to campaign on a unrealized gains tax was Harris. The only one to campaign on the down payment assistance was Harris. Biden talked about increasing the minimum wage too but that was 4 years ago so not over the last 20 years.
Or, you know, be the party that at least promises popular things, instead of the party that just exists in idle opposition.
At least we’ll never have to worry about Dems after 2026. Maybe some better parties can take hold
Parties are essentially dictatorships, and at the top of my list of things wrong with our system
The good part of that, is the party can change even faster than trump can destroy America.
Partie’s will always exist. They are a natural progression of people aligning their values. You can call them different names but a ‘group of politically aligned people’ will always form.
Parties can be dictatorships, but should be a reflection of the ideal governance of the system they’re trying to run. In the US certainly nearly all parties are oligarchical dictatorships, since that’s just what the US has been from the start.
Ideally we’d have a coequal party spring up or at least a co-op party. But I fear both of those are too complicated for American brains since even PSL has a fairly strict hierarchy based on funding potential instead of merit or internal democracy.
They 100% should be. And we just took huge steps towards that
But I don’t think you’re understanding. This isn’t an analogy, the Party Chair has absolute power, and zero accountability.
That’s what all that noise with Donna Brazile was about. She was a high ranking person at the DNC who took an interim chair. She was expecting everything to be fine because that’s what the prior chair had kept saying…
Then she disclosed that the party had been bankrupt for years, and was being funded by Hillary since before the primary started which came with many strings, one of which was that Clinton’s campaign had final say on anything they DNC said.
I really think the people who don’t think the party has changed much, just aren’t truly aware of how bad shit has been at the DNC the last 30 years. Most don’t even know why it didn’t improve under Obama’s presidency
Right? All they had to do was promise to Legalize weed, increase the minimum wage, put caps on rent increases, go after shrinkflation, make it easier to vote, say that healthcare is a human right, fight for unions, promise to help support people who currently can’t afford to buy homes to be able to buy homes, and tax the rich and corporations more.
Oh wait, Harris did all of those things. Democrats have had progressive policy, but voters keep voting against it. Because Democrats have to be perfect and cant also happen to have a couple shit policies. The moment they have a couple shitty policies, or don’t have all the progressive policies people want. those are all that matter and that means Democrats are just the same as Republicans.
The problem is they’ve been promising that for two decades.
They’re great at saying things, sometimes, to specific outlet while saying the opposite to their donors and other outlets. But they’re terrible at doing anything. At all. After decades of lies, after decades of trying to push them left… The Harris campaign paid partial lip service and promised what Obama did in 2008.
Also no, Dems are the same as Republicans because their goals, based on their actions and voting records, are exactly the same. Make rich people more rich, bust unions, keep the poor poor.
I was with you until you went all “both sides”. Dems fucking suck, they’re inauthentic, corrupt leaches, but the last 6 weeks alone ought to be plenty enough to prove that the repubs are whole other animal. These are officially Nazi’s we’re dealing with.
And the Dems hold up tiny signs in protest rather than actually do anything
The Dems don’t care and won’t fight so they’re functionally the same
By that logic, what are you? The same? I don’t know you but you sure as fuck ain’t Luigi. What makes your tiny actions so much greater than a protesters?
They’ve increased taxes in 2009 in response to the crash, they’ve done investment in infrastructure. They’ve passed the first climate change legislation ever in this country. They increased the minimum wage in 2009 and tried to again. They did actual shit for the 4 years of the last 2 decades they’ve had full power to do anything. But then voters vote them out because they don’t do everything they intended to.
They need do more, but they need full power to do that. Whenever they get that they do shit. But it’s impossible to do shit when Republicans control one house of Congress kneecapping everything they want to do.
Also they are incredibly different. One of them wants to increase the minimum wage, the other wants to get rid of it. One of them wants to make sure queer folk are allowed to exist in public and have rights, the other wants to put us in prison and take away our right to exist at all. One of them wants to bust monopolies and the other wants more monopolies. One of them wants to increase social safety net benefits, the other wants to get rid of it. One of them wants to tax the rich, the other wants no federal income tax at all. One of them believes that voting should be easy and the other wants to make voting impossible.
They’ve passed plenty of bills that end up dying because of Republicans, you’re blaming Democrats for Republicans being the problem and saying they’re the same. You’re being reductive because they happen to both be capitalist parties, which sucks ass but there’s a lot of space in the capitalist spectrum.
Listen, there’s nothing wrong with wanting Democrats to do better. But it’s BS to say they haven’t done anything positive in the last 20 years. 20 years where they only actually had full power for 4 of those years and 2 of those years only barely had a majority in the Senate.
Edit: also most of what I said Harris campaigned on has not been promised for 2 decades. She campaigned on policies that the party hadn’t supported on the presidential level before. The only democratic presidential nominee to campaign on legalizing weed was Harris. The only one to campaign on a unrealized gains tax was Harris. The only one to campaign on the down payment assistance was Harris. Biden talked about increasing the minimum wage too but that was 4 years ago so not over the last 20 years.