it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

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    These distinctions completely change the meaning. “Being able to predict” vs “being able to prove to a broad population” are completely different things. Of course it could be predicted, I certainly did, but that doesn’t resolve the question of how you get the message out on a large scale and convince people of it. Even if you and I could see through it, he still had plausible deniability, making it not necessarily the most compelling angle to hit people with.

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      but that doesn’t resolve the question of how you get the message out on a large scale and convince people of it

      Should be easy, given that the US has a much stronger propaganda platform than Russia no? /s

      It’s almost as if despite this being shown across all media, a massive amount of voters were still manipulated by foreign & right-wing propaganda into ignoring/dismissing it.

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        Should be easy, given that the US has a much stronger propaganda platform than Russia no? /s

        Of course, the US government has a stronger propaganda platform in the US than Russia has in the US. Political parties are not the US government though, so it’s not really relevant to how a political party can promote a message.

        It’s almost as if despite this being shown across all media, a massive amount of voters were still manipulated by foreign & right-wing propaganda into ignoring/dismissing it.

        Or they just didn’t see it or pay attention or they didn’t believe Trump would do it based on their own reasoning. People can believe different things from you without the need to insert a malicious actor to explain the disagreement.

        But ok, your position is that nobody has both the willingness or capability to counter foreign/right-wing propaganda. So, as I’ve asked several times now, what is your solution to this situation? Because it seems like your solution is just to whine about it.

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          Of course, the US government has a stronger propaganda platform in the US than Russia has in the US.

          There’s nothing “of course” about this statement. All evidence points to Russia having a better handle on the US population’s opinion than the US.

          So, as I’ve asked several times now, what is your solution to this situation?

          I’m not here to generate solutions, no idea why you keep asking for one. The US has a unique issue with propaganda because of the first amendment, there’s no easy solution other than people smartening up and social media companies taking more responsibility for their content via fact checkers etc.

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            I’m not here to generate solutions, no idea why you keep asking for one.

            Then your political position is worthless on it’s face.

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              You can point out an issue without pretending to have a solution. Do you read the retarded shit you type?

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                Yeah, if your goal is just to wallow in misery and jack off about how right you (think you) are.

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                  Most conversations are about the how and why of a subject. Most of the work towards figuring out proper solutions is accurately identifying what’s wrong in the first place, which you won’t be able to do by larping as a revolutionary in your basement when you can’t even figure out what to do when it comes to Ukraine. Nobody is waiting for your delusional dogshit “solutions”. Newsflash, “just eat the rich” as advice for Kamala when brainlet voters preferred a claque of billionaires is some of the most retarded shit I’ve heard. Get a clue.