• eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 days ago

    They voted to censure Rep Tlaib for asking that the US stop helping to bomb her family members.

    Democrats are fascists with a BLM sticker and a rainbow flag, and they’re busy scraping off the rainbow flag.

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      Democrats are fascists with a BLM sticker and a rainbow flag, and they’re busy scraping off the rainbow flag.

      A lot of them are like that, but not enough aren’t.

      Which is why we need to get dirty money out of Dem primaries, regardless of what Nancy Pelosi says.

      To paraphrase Kendrick:

      Few solid Dems left, but it’s not enough

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        1. Nice Kendrick reference

        2. We need to do away with the party, but unfortunately building a new broad front would take years.

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          Strongly disagree. Look at how effective the Tea Party was at changing the entire GOP. We just need people to be as outraged by what’s currently happening as the Tea Party was about having a black president.

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          2 - absolutely but with the time we have we have to pressure them to change and build a groundswell in the faint hope that there’s enough of us and enough of a vote left in 2026 to make some changes at the primary level

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              21 hours ago

              With worse infrastructure. The entire point of stealing a party is to use what they’ve built.

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                Worse infrastructure is laughable, their entire party infrastructure makes it so that bad faith actors don’t undermine their goals, and honestly, I might join them.

                In the topic of stealing a party, The Green Party isn’t worth stealing.

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                  Worse infrastructure is laughable

                  Do you seriously want to tell me that the PSL has worse infrastructure than the green party?

                  their entire party infrastructure makes it so that bad faith actors don’t undermine their goals

                  Their entire party is bad faith actors. They’re a tiny party with even tinier primaries, and unlike democrats, they actually have primaries.

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          The party is a dictatorship where the chair has final say on almost everything and zero accountability to anyone.

          Luckily we got a decent chair now.

          We 100% need to change how that’s set up, but the party just took his biggest step left in 30 years.

          Ken Martin doesn’t push progressive policy per say, but he gives voters want they want, and they want progressive policy from charismatic candidates. Just not standing in the way of voters would have beat trump last election.

          We don’t need a whole lot more from the party.

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            Unfortunately, their chair isn’t good at all.

            He has stated that the Democrats would take money from “good billionaires”

            There is no such thing.

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              LMAO.

              The fact that one comment during an interview, during the campaign where he had to get elected by the voting members of the DNC is the only thing out of decades of politics that people can latch onto to call this guy a neoliberal just makes me all the more confident.

              Saying “no, there are no good billionaires” in response to that question would have prevented him from ever becoming chair…

              Like, bro gave a bullshit wiffle waffle answer to a gotcha question, and that’s seriously the worst anyone can say about him?

              Like, just the fact that’s all the dirt that can be dug up over his long history with the party is enough for me to say he’s the furthest left chair in decades.

              My favorites example tho is when he camped out overnight with pro-Gaza protestors who were protesting the DNC so he could ensure their right to protest was protected and police wouldn’t hassle them.

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                  Literal days after the October attacks…

                  He said that calling for the destruction of Israel was overboard…

                  That’s too much?

                  Let’s switch gears here

                  If Ken Martin is not the furtherest left DNC chair we’ve had in 30 years, by all means name drop who you think it was.

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                    The Democratic Party is and always will be a centrist party funded by oligarchs.

                    They’re already propping up another Kamala Harris run.

                    Revolution against this fucked up system is truly our only option.

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                The fact that one comment during an interview, during the campaign where he had to get elected by the voting members of the DNC is the only thing out of decades of politics that people can latch onto to call this guy a neoliberal just makes me all the more confident.

                Then he dug a hole he needs to get himself out of.

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                  Man, actually kind of sad to add you to the block list…

                  But there’s not time for this bullshit and getting hung up wasting time explaining things to people that can’t understand.

                  I hope you come around, but I’ll never know

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                    But there’s not time for this bullshit and getting hung up wasting time explaining things to people that can’t understand.

                    You may understand simping for billionaires.

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            They always take those left steps when they are not in a position of power to do anything with it. Then quickly shift back to the right when they are.

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              That’s not how the chair works, Ken Martin has it four years unless he steps down, it’s figuratively and literally his party.

              In four years if what he does gets a Dem elected, that Dem is almost guaranteed to pick Ken if he wants to keep it, and the vote after is largely performative. (Side note, Obama’s fuckup was refusing to pick someone).

              If Ken doesn’t want it, that president will still pick someone.

              So we have someone who won’t fight a progressive candidate, and then a progressive candidate that will pick the next chair if they win.

              Seriously, there’s a shit ton of reasons to be optimistic.