Our politicians should know that each time a cyclist lands in the ER with a smashed face or is struck and killed by a truck, it’s due to bad infrastructure
Every time a cyclist lands in the ER with a smashed face, gets dragged underneath a car or is struck and killed by a truck, I want our politicians to look themselves in the mirror and swallow that guilty pill: This is not poor luck or bad drivers, it’s bad infrastructure.
I would be very careful with that sentiment.
In Toronto, there have been quite a few cases in the last year of bad drivers literally driving on isolated, protected bike lanes, or have smashed into and up concrete dividers designed to separate cars from cyclists.
Good infrastructure won’t prevent accidents caused by bad drivers, and there are a LOT of bad drivers.
Ok so what’s the solution to bad drivers? Take away their license? All of them, before they hurt somebody?
Take your average motorist and assume that half of them are worse than that. How exactly are these people supposed to exist without a car - without first changing the infrastructure?
Quick edit for context: cars are the worst and the sooner we stop relying on them the better. But steps have to be made to slowly make that transition.
Not issue licenses for them in the first place. That’s the intended purpose of licensing. I guess the solution to bad drivers is raising the bar on licensing.
That’s still dodging the question about how they are supposed to live without being able to drive. Just having poor driving skills should not be enough to prevent someone from participating in society.
Unless you’re lucky enough to have been born into a city with great public transit options, you’re screwed without a car. That isn’t fair.
This is far from a simple issue. We have built ourselves a way of life that entirely revolves around having access to a car. Taking away someone’s car is akin to taking away their legs. Saying that they aren’t allowed a license to begin with is a prison sentence.
I suggest that we need to make changes to city development that allows for alternate modes of transport such as walking and biking. Not just paths and sidewalks, but building the places you need to go closer to where you live.
I’m all in for reducing car dependency, my friend. I was just stating the obvious, because that’s how licensing already works. I understand that we can’t raise the bar arbitrarily high until only stunt drivers are able to pass, and we didn’t define what a “bad driver” is anyway.
Just because a solution isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean it’s not very very effective. The empirical evidence is clear and overwhelming. Well designed bike infrastructure absolutely works to increase safety.
Well designed bike infrastructure absolutely works to increase safety.
I agree completely, however, too many people make the wrong assumption that all you need is good cycling infrastructure and there won’t be any issues.
We can see from the Dutch that even having the best cycling infrastructure in the world doesn’t prevent tens of thousands of injuries from happening per year, because not all accidents are between cyclist and motor vehicle.
In fact, many don’t even involve another vehicle or person at all. And with e-bikes becoming more popular, the death and injury rates, even with the Dutch, have been increasing at a very rapid pace.
I would be very careful with that sentiment.
In Toronto, there have been quite a few cases in the last year of bad drivers literally driving on isolated, protected bike lanes, or have smashed into and up concrete dividers designed to separate cars from cyclists.
Good infrastructure won’t prevent accidents caused by bad drivers, and there are a LOT of bad drivers.
Ok so what’s the solution to bad drivers? Take away their license? All of them, before they hurt somebody?
Take your average motorist and assume that half of them are worse than that. How exactly are these people supposed to exist without a car - without first changing the infrastructure?
Quick edit for context: cars are the worst and the sooner we stop relying on them the better. But steps have to be made to slowly make that transition.
Not issue licenses for them in the first place. That’s the intended purpose of licensing. I guess the solution to bad drivers is raising the bar on licensing.
That’s still dodging the question about how they are supposed to live without being able to drive. Just having poor driving skills should not be enough to prevent someone from participating in society.
Unless you’re lucky enough to have been born into a city with great public transit options, you’re screwed without a car. That isn’t fair.
You’re sidetracking a ridiculously simple issue. Having poor driving skills should prevent someone from driving. That’s as simple as it gets.
This is far from a simple issue. We have built ourselves a way of life that entirely revolves around having access to a car. Taking away someone’s car is akin to taking away their legs. Saying that they aren’t allowed a license to begin with is a prison sentence.
I suggest that we need to make changes to city development that allows for alternate modes of transport such as walking and biking. Not just paths and sidewalks, but building the places you need to go closer to where you live.
I’m all in for reducing car dependency, my friend. I was just stating the obvious, because that’s how licensing already works. I understand that we can’t raise the bar arbitrarily high until only stunt drivers are able to pass, and we didn’t define what a “bad driver” is anyway.
Oh, so simple! Why didn’t anyone else think of that?
I always assumed everyone would think of that, @apprehensively_human exemplifies the contrary, apparently.
Yes. People should pass driver exams every 5 years, and police should be less lax with dangerous driving.
Just because a solution isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean it’s not very very effective. The empirical evidence is clear and overwhelming. Well designed bike infrastructure absolutely works to increase safety.
I agree completely, however, too many people make the wrong assumption that all you need is good cycling infrastructure and there won’t be any issues.
We can see from the Dutch that even having the best cycling infrastructure in the world doesn’t prevent tens of thousands of injuries from happening per year, because not all accidents are between cyclist and motor vehicle.
In fact, many don’t even involve another vehicle or person at all. And with e-bikes becoming more popular, the death and injury rates, even with the Dutch, have been increasing at a very rapid pace.
Plus, I don’t believe much of the safety stats that come out of the Netherlands in relation to cycling. It seems they are just lying about the numbers..