i am not talking about performance anxiety i think

it is something else

i might feel

  • being close to someone = danger = EJECT EJECT EJECT
  • someone i like shows she likes me = danger = PUSH PUSH PUSH her away
  • i am needy therefore i will be exploited
  • those who love get screwed. so i must not get close to anyone i love
  • i have no support network therefore i will be badly hurt when this ends, and almost everything ends
  • she does x or y, so she is not good enough, so i won’t get close to her

what i mean by stress:

  1. i met someone. we talked for 5 hours on the day i met her. she made me forget which country i was in when we went out to a cafe. we returned to our hostel at 23. got into our separate beds. but i went downstairs to the balcony. there was nothing there other than some wild trees. it was cold and deserted but i stayed there for 30 mins. which was weird. when i was leaving back to my bed, receptionist started a bit of a small talk. she tried to understand what i was doing. i randomly said something like “balcony was calming”… the word i used was calming. so apparently this girl, specifically the connection i felt with her, made me so stressed that i needed to cool down. i don’t remember needing to cool down like that, ever. next morning another girl in our room assumed we hooked up. but i didn’t touch her. i didn’t say anything to clarify her interest in me. she ordered love potion in the cafe we went. she wanted to talk about our love lives but i pretend to not hear what she said.

  2. another girl. she was the hottest or second hottest girl in the social dance class. she was more engaged in conversation with me than others (asked me good smart questions). she was smiling more than others. she was making more eye contact than others. we were laughing and having a good time. so i thought we had a connection at the time. she gave me a semi which i wasn’t expecting. i broke eye contact to make that disappear. that’s how this started. then i was a bit formal next time i was with her and she understood. anyway, after a while, she acted in a way that was very welcoming. this was because they showed a closer move in class which made me stressed. mostly because of that stress, i didn’t understand the move. so i told her i didn’t understand the move. and that’s when she acted like that. its hard to describe. most people are nice, and a few were really nice too in this class, but she was different. she was nice in a more authentic or meaningful or real way. anyway, i got home. i sat down. i stared at nothing for 1-1.5 hour. there was no idea in my mind. there was no emotions i can recognize. maybe i felt like “this attractive woman wants me” and that made me stressed. i am not sure. because of this stress, i broke my diet for the first time in 4 months. i ate junk food to comfort myself. then i took a break for a week.

  3. my experience with her led to a discovery in therapy. i realized maybe i am not afraid of rejection, i am afraid of acceptance. i realized i avoid intimacy really hard e.g i realized i made myself believe in false things e.g i am unattractive to avoid intimacy. well this realization led to a lot of connections. in next class, 3 women were physically flirting with me for the first time. i started getting random compliments that have nothing to do with my skills. someone indirectly invited me to hooking up. i was getting very close to a woman who maybe loved me. about 10 women in a week made me feel i am very attractive. meanwhile, my energy increased. but i started being unable to sleep anymore. i suppose due to stress.

  4. i took a break from people for 5 weeks. i was very happy to leave due to the stress…

for 4 weeks i was so sleep deprived, eventually i lost consciousness in gym after a deadlift (it was not that heavy). so connections with women made me so stressed that my body kinda broke.

that incident made me use sleeping pills to sleep. apparently they have sedative effects. those effects removed most of that energy and i got my sleep back.

in my break i tried to process my experiences and accept my new self. it took 2 weeks for me to talk to someone about my experiences online anonymously. idk why it was difficult. i am used to talking about anything and i am used to realities of life that are very hurtful.

  1. after my break, i returned to the place with the girl i was getting close to. i had to because i had to stop avoiding intimacy. i did my best. she made me so stressed that my face twitched while i was touching her. before going there, i broke a bottle in supermarket for the first time in my life because i was stressed. i went to the supermarket to get junk food to comfort myself because of her. she acted like she loved me way more or authentically than others, so she made me way more nervous than others

  2. another girl’s body was touching mine more than others for no reason. she was talking to me too much while almost everyone else was dancing. i felt she’s into me. i sweated a lot. when i got home, i ran. idk why exactly. i couldn’t sleep for 2hrs.

btw i don’t get stressed if someone shows she is into me while i’m not into her. i wasn’t into that girl who indirectly invited me to hooking up. i used the word unfortunately during some innocent sentence and gave her a hug. if i liked her, i probably wouldn’t have given her a hug. this was the first time i initiated a hug towards a girl out of my free will lol.

  1. i talked about all my experiences with a girl… only because she was closed to me and everyone, maybe due to her trauma. if i thought if she was open to me, i wouldn’t have talked (because when i talk, it makes women into me). after a while, i met her again for real touch practice. by real, i mean with emotions. i tried to unsuppress or feel emotions while touching someone

  2. then i practiced sex with an escort whose ex is an avoidant. there was no connection. using dance songs felt wrong with her like insult to memories of others but i think it might have been useful to practice. then i was gonna see if anything is different with me after two types of practice, but i got sick… and that was two months ago. i used my sickness as an excuse to avoid intimacy by isolating myself. i have been eating like an absolute pig to make myself fat and unattractive. btw it was calming to not dance with women and not listen to dance music (they make me feel memories)… even tho i miss it sometimes.

so intimacy (emotional and physical combo) stresses the fuck out of me apparently

  • MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world
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    Ok mate, heres the simplest thing to calm your body physically.

    Breath in through your nose, out through your mouth. Normally, deliberately. Gonna puke? Same thing will stop you puking. Panicing about public speaking? See above.

    Next, when it comes to learning to talk to ladies, or any human strangers, You have to practice.

    Start small. Talk to the cashier about literally anything, what you bought, the weather, literally anything. Work your way up to a simple, “hows your day?”

    Got that mastered?

    Now talk to the old lady on your bus stop, she’s got scary female chromosomes just like the girl youre crushing on.

    Practice makes perfect and conversation is an art.

    Youre not painting the Mono Lisa tomorrow, but you can color by numbers with the cashier at the grocery store.

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    3 days ago

    Dan Savage had some good advice a while back:

    Your awkward/repulsive stage will pass. In the meantime, here’s what you need to do: worry less about getting your young teenage self laid and start thinking about getting your 18- or 20-year-old self laid. Join a gym and get yourself a body that girls will find irresistible, read—read books—so that you’ll have something to say to girls (the best way to make girls think you’re interesting is to actually be interesting), and get out of the house and do shit—political shit, sporty shit, arty shit—so that you’ll meet different kinds of girls in different kinds of settings and become comfortable talking with them.

    It is much easier to talk to someone when you have something to talk about.

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    I don’t think I can really offer you any useful advice since I have never dealt with this. But I noticed you’re in therapy, that’s great. I couldn’t help but see that you wrote this:

    those who love get screwed. so i must not get close to anyone i love

    i have no support network therefore i will be badly hurt when this ends, and almost everything ends

    I think these 2 statements are contradictory, or at least will prevent you from progressing emotionally while you hold both to be true. I would really recommend that you talk about these 2 things with your therapist.

    Building a support network, even online, even with just 1 other person, even with people you don’t feel comfortable telling “everything” to, could really benefit you. But your current relationship style is holding you back from that, which seems like a Catch-22 that a professional might be able to help with.

    Please take care, it must be horrible to experience what you’ve described. I imagine that it’s taking a large toll on you physically and emotionally, so try to go easy on yourself.

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    These are normal reactions that a lot of people experience. It’s not easy to put yourself out there.

    I think it’s healthy to spend time finding your “tribe” and putting as much effort into that as you put into interpersonal relationships. Find something to be your third place away from home and work/school.