String up the traitors
I doubt the real president will like that.
Oh I’m sure their new “efficiency” overlord will just love that.
Tesla will just get an exemption.
they really do want to see the world burn, literally, not figuratively. They won’t be happy until we’re all dying from extreme heat.
Some motherfuckers never got punched in the throat mouth enough when they were kids trying to be bullies
Remove fuel taxes. Apply taxes to tires. Done and done.
Wait what? Aren’t CO2 emissions caused by burning fossil fuels? Why wouldn’t you want to tax those?
This isn’t about CO2. I think the idea is that a lot of our funding for roads is based around the taxes for gasoline and diesel. Since EVe don’t use either, they are damaging the roads at the same (or more due to their weight) but not providing the tax revenue for the maintenance work needed.
Moving to tires would apply the taxation to both vehicles types. I think it’s a bit short sighted and tires are used for more than road vehicles; but at the same time so is gasoline (like yard equipment.)
You’d incentive people to make tires that lasted longer and that would be horrible.
But also
House republicans have proposed putting a $200/year federal registration tax on EVs
I do love it when Republicans ride into office on a wave of people screaming “ARGH! I HATE TAXES!” and then spend the first four months in office finding an exciting new way to raise people’s taxes.
More than anything, I’m looking forward to all those Cybertruck owners getting the “Fell For It Again” award branded onto their foreheads.
Adjust taxes based on tread wear rating.
Treadwear isn’t a scientific measurement though.
Or just tax by miles driven and vehicle curb weight instead of doing stupid proxy workarounds.
There’s a whole lot more administrative overhead that would need to go into collecting miles driven data after it’s been driven, and such a system would be far easier to cheat.
Tax on tires based on treadwear and load ratings would be dead simple to implement.
So I’ll swap some newer tires on there timed with this. Or keep a set of barely used ones. Grab some cheap ones from a car yard. They’d need a lot of strict rules around this.
If you do it based on company estimates for wear at the time the car is sold, hello expensive tires! You are collecting 30k miles worth of taxes at once. The tax would be even higher on long wear tires! On top of that different states have wildly different amounts of tax they add to gas which will incentivize buying tires from out of state. I assume similar differences exist in the EU as a comparison. This tax would also be part of buying a car, since they come with tires.
If a tire gets ruined, you already paid the tax and get to pay it again to continue driving. Hello potholes and construction nails!
If you try to spread it out based on wear over time, that would be far harder to calculate than just checking the odometer.
Okay, the expensive tires thing is a problem. I did a little math.
Let’s say you get 50K miles out of a set of tires. At 25MPG, with an existing fuel tax of $0.50/gal, switching that to a tax on tires would amount to $250 per tire for a set of four to equal out. You’d ultimately be paying the same amount, but attaching it to the tire would make that all come up front. And then, yeah, you’d have people driving out of state for tires (if neighboring states didn’t do the same thing), as well as driving in to the state for the cheap gas.
Bah.
Let’s say you get 50K miles out of a set of tires.
Note that most EVs get nowhere near that. The faster acceleration, higher torque, and heavier weight chew through tires.
So a flat tax on tires would results in EV owners paying more even though they don’t damage the road significantly more than petrol vehicles.
Don’t insurance and dmv already collect miles driven
Eh…people already drive on tires well after they’re too bald to be safe anymore. Taxing tires is just a great way to make sure that people replace them even less often.
Maybe increase vehicle registration fees? Charge connection fees to connect your driveway to a public street? Charge businesses per-space parking lot taxes? I dunno. This seems like a tricky problem to solve.
That’s how you end up with people driving on racing slicks and wire…
Why not apply to mileage instead? More miles on the roads means you use the infrastructure more
Tire wear is proportional to vehicle mileage and weight. A tire tax would effectively do the same thing while being easier to implement.
Incentivizes not replacing tires which is bad for safety and all.
Is it easier to implement? Maybe, but not really.
An alternative and would just be an annual inspection. Some states already require this, many just emissions. Just have it as a blanket annual safety inspection requirement for all vehicles, including emissions for the necessary vehicles.
It is until tire manufacturers get an incentive to sell decreased wear tires, likely at the expense of other features. Along with people putting off tire replacement even longer, this would just be asking for a significant decrease in road safety.
In Oklahoma they used to tax vehicles according to sale value. A lightweight, fiberglass Corvette could be an easy $600 a year while my friend’s 2-ton dump truck had antique plates at $20 a year. Guess which one tore up the roads.
I think they changed that system long ago, and at the time Texas taxed according to vehicle weight.
Antique and Classic plates usually have pretty restrictive use policies associated with them. Assuming you don’t ignore them and risk a ticket every time you drive outside those uses.
For Oklahoma for instance:
Affiant further states that the vehicle described above will travel highways of this state primarily incidental to historical or exhibition purposes only.
From the application form: https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/service-oklahoma/Documents/mv-forms/license-plate/763 Classic Vehicle Plate.pdf
Given the antique registered vehicle is supposed to only be used on public roads in very limited scenarios, the small cost is appropriate, regardless of the specific vehicle.
“Primarily” does a lot of heavy lifting there. Basically, it doesn’t outlaw using it in other manners so it wouldn’t be easily enforceable by a traffic cop. It would only really be brought forward as fraud if a prosecutor could prove you used it “primarily” for other reasons.
And thats beyond saying that driving it, on its own, is not an exhibition purpose.
Tires have limited mileage, so effectively the same result and you dont the gov invading your privacy.
The privacy of what? An odometer reading?
Sure… except thats very unlikely to be implmented for the millions of vehicles when modern cars already have all the means to remotely report information. Pilot programs already opted to use dongles for remote reporting.
Tires are also a consumable that, if used to the point of failure, become a hazard to the driver and anything around them. Adding the tax to the tires would encourage those with lesser means to use them to the point of being dangerous.
So add vehicle inspections to the list. And taxes can be prorated if the tire failed before being fully consumed.
So add vehicle inspections to the list. And taxes can be prorated if the tire failed before being fully consumed.
L. O. L.
So rather than just take the mileage of the vehicle at registration/renewal, we’ll add more red tape to the process and make everything cost more so we can use a silly proxy to get the amount of use of the vehicle.
That’s the American way I’m used to.
There are several states already that require safety inspections.
Hell emissions tests are required for ICE vehicles in nearly every state, and guess what they do when those roll through for emissions testing? They record the mileage.
There’s no additional red tape here, it’s the same red tape that was there before it was an EV that didn’t need emissions testing.
I wish they took my mileage into account for my emissions testing. If it’s under 500 miles between the two year emissions testing period, I’d appreciate them being more lenient.
You think the government gonna hire thousands of people to read millions of odemeters a year when they can just contract third parties to install a dongle to track it remotely, and we’re just trusting they wont suck down all kinds of other information…
And we dont have to speculate, its already been implemented in pilot programs in some states. And was planned in Biden’s instrastructure bill.
https://atr.org/bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-paves-way-miles-traveled-tax/
Outlines tools used to track driver’s miles driven
The bill lays out the various “vehicle-miles-traveled-collection tools” that would be used by the federal government to track drivers. These tools include third-party onboard diagnostic devices (GPS tracking devices), smart phone apps, data from automakers and data obtained by car insurance companies.
They’ve tried mandating vehicle inspections in my state several times. It never goes very far.
Driving is a privilege. Odometers aren’t personal secrets.
Let me guess, they want this but with a caveat of not including teslas in the tax increase.
imho, the ‘loss’ of fuel tax is made up by having no tailpipe emissions fucking up the air.
until ev makes up more than half of the vehicles on the road and ice is legislatively deprecated with a sales cut-off set in stone, i think ev owners should get the benefit of no tax on its ‘power source’ as one of the incentives to switch to and keep using them over petrol-powered vehicles.
I’m curious how often you complain about the state of the roads you drive on. Girl taxes have already not kept up with the costs of maintaining the roads. Now there’s a significant percentage not even paying them.
In theory I agree with you, but roads are heckin expensive. Gas taxes mostly/entirely go to road maintenance depending on where you are in the world.
We should absolutely charge a pollution tax on fuel as well, but given our current social structure and infrastructure, it would probably make our economy implode.
Aww! Losing fuel taxes? Bummer. Maybe they should ask deep-red Alabama how they do without taxing fuel.
Nah, EVs put wear and tear on the road too
On what road are these benevolent EV drivers gonna drive on with their extra heavy vehicles?
We should ask why. Did they fuck up the economy and need new revenue?
In Ohio we already pay $200 additional for registering an EV compared to ICE. 🤦♂️
Welp it’s going to be 400 now because the rich aren’t rich enough.
NJ has something like that as well.
Let me laugh for a solid minute here. I friggin’ love these guys. They’re going to make the entire country Detroit because they’re such snowflakes that can’t take competition. Hilarious.
At least you can buy a house in Detroit. May not be a nice one, probably abandoned a decade ago, but there are options available.
Unlike the average new home price being $1 million or some shit Nationwide now that was reported a few days ago.
So the US becoming Detroit would be an improvement? Goddamn.
You wish, I’d rather be in Detroit then anywhere in the south.
It’s already been reved to $250
Take them tarrifs to 10000000x MAGAts.
