Five family members, including three kids, were found dead in an Ohio home Thursday evening in what police are calling a “domestic dispute that turned deadly,” according to a news release.
The incident is being investigated as a quadruple murder-suicide, police said.
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I don’t generally disagree with your point, but I’m not sure why you’re making it here.
Lets not pretend like this was anything but intentional use of a firearm by a family annihilator, and that the problem in this case is gendered violence, not gun safety.
They’re just expanding on the comment they replied to.
And I just pointed out that their long spiel about gun safety is irrelevant because this wasn’t a case that could have been prevented with gun safety. This man wanted to kill his family, and he did.
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Again, they were replying to someone else’s comment about the safety of having a gun in the home. If they’d made a top-level comment saying this, maybe you’d have an argument, but currently all you’re doing is trying to derail the the discussion with irrelevant details.
It’s not like these were the first people to die of gun violence so who cares whether a tangential discussion applies in this specific instance?
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If you can’t see the connection between gendered violence and what happened here, it’s because you don’t want to.
(also gun safety, which I literally started my previous reply saying I agree with, had nothing to do with this case, you are just derailing the conversation from the real issue - an epidemic of deadly misogyny. It wasn’t the gun being there that made him kill them)
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~~Oh no. ~~
The article is short. It names all the members of the family. Based on the names, there appear to be:* One adult male* One adult female* Two teen females (yeah, I’m calling 12 a teen)* One male childThere is no information in the article about which one of the above was the shooter, and all of them are old enough to be able to handle a firearm (although it’s less likely that the male child, aged 9, would have been the shooter).Your comments refer to “him” and “this man,” so you must be referring to the adult male. Unless you have some information about this incident that is not stated in the article, you are assuming that you know who the shooter was, where there is no information to support that claim.It seems that you want to believe that it must have been the man, because you believe that men are intrinsically violent. Is it more statistically likely, based on past history? Sure. But you cannot apply statistics that way to come to a correct conclusion about an individual incident.Removed by mod
I stand corrected.
And the professionals might also mistake you for the intruder. Or they might shoot you by accident or because you were “mentally ill”, “uncooperative”, or “black”. Or they might shoot you for fun. So, you know, choose your risk carefully.
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Well written. It’s just cosplay.
Proclaiming that people who keep a weapon for self defense all think “it makes them some badass” is insulting language that will keep some people from being interested in what are some otherwise good points.
I’m a dude that agrees with the sentiment that a baseball bat coupled with bear spray is much better than a gun. The bear spray can be used at a distance of up to 50ft and while it will effectively immobilize someone, it won’t do permanent harm if you mistakenly target someone you care about. Baseball bat or knife is definitely a good option, but I can understand a smaller person’s concern that both have a need to be very close to a person to be effective and there’s a fear of being disarmed. A gun may let them defend themselves from a distance, and any shot, even a bad one or in the air from a distance is a great warning and potential deterence.
An assailant with a weapon themselves may feel provoked to use it if you come after them with a knife or baseball bat too, so it’s not unreasonable to opt for a gun in that circumstance too.
A gun itself does bring risk, and like I said I recommend bear spray as that stuff is way more effective than pepper spray, works at a distance and isn’t going to kill anyone by mistake. I still however understand why somebody might have more peace of mind knowing they have a gun handy vs just a baseball bat or knife. They’ll likely never need either or have an accident, but I won’t discount they might feel more secure with a means to defend themselves from a distance.
Ammosexuals lack both
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This is all very easy to say, but have you ever had to defend yourself against an adult who actually meant to harm you?
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If the true goal of organizations advocating against civilian gun ownership (and publishing statistics you cite) were to save lives then educators, in recognition of the fact that about half of households own at least one firearm, would actually ensure children could at least make a gun safe (properly unload) instead of the abstinence approach that is taught today in every school.
I have advised several people AGAINST buying firearms for self defense, Knowing they would not train adequately to become proficient. Guns are not a blanket solution, but a baseball bat or knife? By any unskilled user? Like two 200-300 pound dudes breaking down the door of a 100 pound person whose never received martial arts training would be better off with a bat? That is hilarious and absurd. With that being said it’s a much lower bar to get proficient enough with a firearm that one can handle it safely and stand a good chance of defending themselves against even multiple attackers. As for the statistical dangers yes but two things: zero guns obviously means zero gun suicides, and if your objective is to produce quickly communicable punch lines, it’s easy to manipulate statistics to suit your aims - virtually every number used by people who favor complete civilian disarmament is cherry picked once you dig down into to sources and see what is included and excluded from those figures.
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