kinda glad I bounced off of the suckless ecosystem when I realized how much their config mechanism (C header files and a recompile cycle) fucking sucked

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    Nazi nonsense aside,

    when I realized how much their config mechanism (C header files and a recompile cycle) fucking sucked

    That’s the thing here: It REALLY sucks. Which sucks for a project that calls itself “suckless”.

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      I dunno. I’ll be the odd one out and say that I fuckin love it. I’m a systems programmer though, so maybe that skews my opinion.

      I use dwm and st regularly but with this new news, I’m disappointed.

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    Gave up on st in favour of alacritty after realizing I deserve nice things like clickable links and scrolling without maintaining a dependency hell of patches.

    I think they toned down the nazi shit around the time when my tolerance for that brand of edginess began to dip towards the crust punk bartender’s level, so I’ve given them a huge benefit of doubt.

    I somehow didn’t remember them doing a mock Charlottesville, though. I’m disappointed but at this point not too surprised.

    Thankfully my desire for a community of software minimalist C curmudgeons and Unix nerds is adequately fulfilled by friends IRL whom I know for sure not to be fascist assholes.

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    Just as an aside, I know it’s probably meant to be pronounced “suck-LESS”, but I think it’s funnier to pronounce it “SUCK-less”.

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    There was some remarkably juicy drama i saw on suckless personal pages (mostly manifestos) once but hell if I can find it now.

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    :( sadness. I’m pathologically opposed to software complexity (I mean pathologically, it hurts me) and have a really nice rice set up with dwm.

    GNOME’s new mosaic layout project which is a few years down the pipeline looks like it might solve the problem of tiling vs teenager’s desk windows management so maybe I should switch.

    I actually do like the patching thing, prefer it to xmonad which needs recompiling every day that ends in Y or i3 which is about as fun to configure as fellating one of those tubular cheese graters.

    Taking suggestions on fast minimalist launchers and windows managers tiling ideally (and terminals with Unicode support rxvt suuuuuuuuuuucks) if anyone has them.

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      I’ve been happy with awesomewm for years now. Maybe one day I’ll enshrine my current config in dwm or something from scratch in Rust and XCB, but so far it has not been the time.

      As for terminal emulators, alacritty has been comfy for me. It’s not the most minimalist thing out there but whatever promises it makes in relative complexity, it delivers in performance and features.

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        oh hey, i love awesomewm! i’m much less amenable to fiddling with annoying linux config than I used to be, but the lua-scriptability is just appealing enough that I don’t mind messing with it a bit to do silly things

        I just use xfce4-terminal though lol

        sidenote, I went to edit this post and accidentally deleted it instead. Would it be so hard for lemmy to use words instead of a million cryptic icons…

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          I just lost a long post cause upvoting the post you’re replying to causes lemmy to remove the reply box, losing its contents, without any confirmation. lemmy sure is an approach to a UI

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        oh hey, i love awesomewm! i’m much less amenable to fiddling with annoying linux config than I used to be, but the lua-scriptability is just appealing enough that I don’t mind messing with it a bit to do silly things

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      the one nice thing is that the suckless ecosystem’s simplicity means that forking these things should be fairly easy for a dev or group with the time and spoons to handle maintenance, and might even provide a new direction for features that suckless would never consider

      Taking suggestions on fast minimalist launchers and windows managers tiling ideally (and terminals with Unicode support rxvt suuuuuuuuuuucks) if anyone has them.

      unfortunately, the only thing I use is emacs (exwm as a tiling window manager, emacs itself as a process launcher, vterm for a mostly not terrible somewhat high performance terminal, a pile of Lisp that keeps growing as I patch things live, all tied into the system with a bunch of Nix)

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        TIL about exwm, seems fun!

        (I’m bitextual, I use both emacs and vim, though I’m more on the vim side of the scale)

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          oh I am also bitextual as fuck (I’m immediately stealing this) so I highly recommend running exwm under Doom Emacs or Spacemacs, both of which have modules for it (and you can also do a fully custom minimal evil layer for it by just importing exwm from elpa and writing a little bit of config, which I prefer)

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      Or I would accept trying something a bit chubby if people have reasons to recommend it. Like sure it slows down the hellbox but it detects when your concentration is flagging and makes you a coffee type shit. Just no transparency effects, Jesus fuck I hate transparency effects. It’s like “hey want to spend more power rendering something that’s harder to parse visually?” umm no? who wants that? why would you want that?

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    Years ago I wrote a patch for st but never submitted it because there was just something off about their website and I didn’t want to deal with them. Guess my gut was right lol.

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      here, I can give you some extra time to dig into the linked thread! does forever work for you?